Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully GetsComeuppance

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Vogt
Lucky Green wrote: > > I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those > celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over > Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux. sorry if I missed anything, but who exactly wants to outlaw w

Re: Remote bugging: new mobile telephony feature

2000-04-05 Thread Tim May
At 2:00 AM -0400 4/5/00, Lucky Green wrote: >I am currently participating in specifications working groups focused on >next-generation digital mobile telephony. Cypherpunks will find some of the >new features coming to a mobile phone near you interesting: the subscriber's >telephony provider will

COMSEC in the absence of an opponent

2000-04-05 Thread Lucky Green
Upon request received in private email, here is more from the cellular front: A while back, I had a conversation with a well-known Swedish manufacturer of encrypting digital mobile phones. The manufacturer is the primary supplier of such phones to the Swedish armed forces. When inquiring about t

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Tim May
At 3:28 AM -0400 4/5/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >Lucky Green wrote: >> >> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those >> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over >> Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux. > >sorry if I m

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Vogt
Tim May wrote: > It isn't forced on everyone. I don't have or use Windows. (At least > not since the execrable 1.0). > > Get your facts straight. get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force" might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and b) resell

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Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread David Honig
At 05:52 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force" >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical free market. News flash: the universe doesn't owe y

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread David Honig
At 07:50 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: >Microsoft for years has done everything they can do eliminate or delay >competition. So who doesn't? Eat or be eaten. Responsibility is to investors. >The sole intent is to reduce the actual number of options >available to the consumer. The sole

Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in Understanding

2000-04-05 Thread David Honig
At 08:01 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: >Microsoft broke every one of these. They have gone out of their way to >reduce the ability of competition to come to market. Do you think you have to buy your competition a billboard for 'equal access'? Must your salespeople refer customers to compet

Re:Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread David Honig
At 09:57 AM 4/5/00 -0400, ... wrote: >Truth is, *NIX is too powerful - they fear the command prompt. Bull. They rightly loathe a user interface memorable only if you use it constantly. Which relies on recall, not recognition. And recall of cryptic spells, no less. Why do you think a lot of

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Vogt
David Honig wrote: > Anti-trust laws are unconstitutional seizures of property > by the state. Intervention where there is noone wronged --just > a bunch of whiny CEO losers. And a socialist national mentality that loves > to drag down the successful. you're definitely on the wrong track there

Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in Understanding

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Vogt
David Honig wrote: > >Microsoft broke every one of these. They have gone out of their way to > >reduce the ability of competition to come to market. > > Do you think you have to buy your competition a billboard > for 'equal access'? Must your salespeople > refer customers to competitors if they

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Tom Vogt
David Honig wrote: > >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force" > >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and > >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical free market. > > News flash: the universe doesn't owe you the number

Re: Remote bugging: new mobile telephony feature

2000-04-05 Thread ericm
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:05:23AM -0400, Tim May wrote: > At 2:00 AM -0400 4/5/00, Lucky Green wrote: > >I am currently participating in specifications working groups focused on > >next-generation digital mobile telephony. Cypherpunks will find some of the > >new features coming to a mobile phone

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:36 AM 4/5/00 -0400, David Honig wrote: >At 05:52 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: > > >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force" > >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and > >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical

Re: COMSEC in the absence of an opponent

2000-04-05 Thread Steve Schear
I think many on the list will find Bruce Schneier's new book right on this target. At 04:10 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Lucky Green wrote: >I have this theory that the present need for security products far exceeds >the number of individuals capable of designing secure systems. Consequently, >industry has

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:36 AM 4/5/00 -0400, David Honig wrote: >At 07:50 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: >How can you eliminate something that others like, without >using force? Administer testing in elementary schools and >re-educate the Torvolds and Stallmen? much deleted >Anti-trust laws are unconstitution

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-05 Thread Jim Burnes
David Honig wrote: > > At 09:57 AM 4/5/00 -0400, ... wrote: > >Truth is, *NIX is too powerful - they fear the command prompt. > > Bull. They rightly loathe a user interface memorable only > if you use it constantly. Which relies on recall, not > recognition. And recall of cryptic spells, no l