Re: RE: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Joseph Ashwood
Title: RE: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: CDR: RE: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for

RE: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread JonathanW
Title: RE: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation) Instead of adding 16 bytes to the size of each sector for sector IV's how about having a separate file (which could be stored on a compact flash card, CDRW or other portable media) that contains the IV&

Re: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Adam Back" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Joseph Ashwood wrote: > > Actually I was referring to changing the data portion of the block > > from {data} to {IV, data} > > Yes I gathered, but this what I was referring to when I said not > possible. The OSes have 512Kbytes

Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Adam Back
Joseph Ashwood wrote: > Adam Back Wrote: > > > This becomes completely redoable (or if you're willing to sacrifice > > > a small portion of each block you can even explicitly stor ethe IV. > > > > That's typically not practical, not possible, or anyway very > > undesirable for performance (two dis

Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Adam Back" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:48:11AM -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > > From: "Bill Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I've been thinking about a somewhat different but related problem lately, > > > which is encrypted disk drives.

Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-26 Thread Adam Back
Right, it sounds like the same approach I alluded to, except I didn't use a salt -- I just used a fast pseudon random number generator to make the IV less structured than using the block number directly. I did some experiments with a used disk and found that if you use the block number directly f

Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-26 Thread Julian Assange
> You could encrypt twice (CBC in each direction or something), but that > will again slow you down by a factor of 2. You can't easily get away with storing the IV as multiple parts of the IO pipe like to see blocks in 2^n form. The approach I take in Rubberhose is to calculate the IV from a ve

disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-26 Thread Adam Back
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:48:11AM -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > From: "Bill Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've been thinking about a somewhat different but related problem lately, > > which is encrypted disk drives. You could encrypt each block of the disk > > with a block cypher using the s