Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 06:42 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > At 6:06 PM -0700 9/25/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >> Whether you take my approach or Tim's approach isn't all that >> important. >> What is vital, is that you maintain your sense of moral superiority. >> Any >> personal fear, g

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: > In the case of peace officer questioning, you can just ask them to leave. > No need to hide. > > The main reason not to invite peace officers in is because of the risk > they might see something which would give rise to probable cause for a > search.

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave. > >Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be >trespassing. > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door.

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they > approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally > you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people > away. Not sure ab

RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Rodney Thayer
You can easily avoid visits by mormons because their missionary strategy is a pattern -- if you see two young-ish people with black nametags walking down the street, that's them. Anecdote: a friend of mine (who subscribes to this list) had a bad scare on 9/11 -- his doorbell rang and he saw thro

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:07:49PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > None. You are not obligated to make serving papers convenient. You can > be out of the country, you can leave by limousine from an underground > garage, you can crawl out you bathroom window. This is, as the lawyers > say, "black letter

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:03:03PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI > during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional > sources. The FBI is responsible for counterterrorism efforts in the U.S. They have recei