On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
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> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Petro wrote:
> >
> >> SBOE: We'd like to see your sales records for 1997-1999.
> >> STORE: "Sorry, can't do that, see there was this *really* weird fire on my
> >> desk last night, and wo
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On 2 Aug 2001, at 21:04, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Petro wrote:
> >
> >> SBOE: We'd like to see your sales records for 1997-1999.
> >> STORE: "Sorry, can't do that, see there was this *really* weird fire on my
> >> desk last n
At 04:15 PM 8/1/01 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote:
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>> Destroying sensitive data is part of doing the job right, in
>> a professional, 'best practice' manner.
>
>Again, it's going to be an uphill battle to get a jury of people too
stupid to
>get out of jury duty to believe that. You might think abou
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"Trei, Peter
> > Cleansing disks and memory of keys and plaintext isn't done
> > to prevent some hypothetical court from looking at evidence;
> > there are good, legally unremarkable reasons to do so, which
> > are regarded as good hygiene and 'best practice' in the
> > industry.
Black Uni
James A. Donald wrote:
> In the case of Black Unicorn, it
> appears to me he was a lawyer who
> used to be in the business of
> finding loopholes in laws.
That's what ALL good lawyers do. Think of it as hacking the law.
By the way, Tim May's secret identity is not "Tim Starr."
S a n d y
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Tim Starr:
> > > Show me exactly which law I am breaking by placing some of
> > > my documents or files in a place even I cannot "turn over
> > > all copies from."
> > >
> > > I have never heard of such a law.
Black Unicorn:
> > If you know you've committed some kind of weapons violati
At 3:34 AM -0700 8/1/01, Subcommander Bob wrote:
>At 01:31 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Petro wrote:
>>
>>>I say this is bullshit. By your vague (no plausible cites, just some
>1L literatlisms), whispering is spoliation. Failure to archive tape
>recordings of conversations is spoliation. Use of encryption is
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> > I have never heard of such a law.
Black Unicorn:
> If you know you've committed some kind of weapons violations or some such and
> you have reason to believe you have come to the attention of the authorities,
> burning the record of those bulk AK-74 purchases might be a bad idea- if y
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On 31 Jul 2001, at 12:22, Black Unicorn wrote:
> Not being intimately familiar with the spec of freenet I can't
> really comment on that aspect or what a court will consider
> "impossible." What will not amuse a court is the appearance of
> an ex ante concealment or disclosure in anticipat
At 1:31 AM -0700 8/1/01, Petro wrote:
>This is truely humorous.
>
>As BU said earlier "You overestimate the average contextual
>awareness level of the typical cypherpunk reader I think."
>
>He's right.
Coming from you (which one of you is Petro and which one is Reese?),
quite a compliment.
>
> From: Black Unicorn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> I also made some speculative suggestions about what encrypting such data
> might
> look like in a test case extending the facts to be a bit more edgy just to
> see
> where the limits were. Such a test case (of which there are none to my
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:15:29PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> You talk a lot about "courts not being amused" but I can find no
> evidence that such laws exist. Nor can I find any case where a Mafia
> don was prosecuted for "spoliating" a future prosecution by
> whispering.
>
> Do you have such ex
At 01:31 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Petro wrote:
>
>>I say this is bullshit. By your vague (no plausible cites, just some
1L literatlisms), whispering is spoliation. Failure to archive tape
recordings of conversations is spoliation. Use of encryption is
spoliation. Drawing the curtains is spoliation.
>
> No
This is truely humorous.
As BU said earlier "You overestimate the average contextual awareness level of the
typical cypherpunk reader I think."
He's right.
At 11:19 PM -0700 7/31/01, Tim May wrote:
>At 10:19 PM -0700 7/31/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>>I've seen more of this in the white collar
At 10:19 PM -0700 7/31/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>> Show me exactly which law I am breaking by placing some of my
>> documents or files in a place even I cannot "turn over all copies
>> from."
>>
>> I have never heard of such a law.
>
>If you know you've committed some kind of weapons violati
- Original Message -
From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Spoilation, escrows, courts, pigs.
> At 12:22 PM -0700 7/31/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>
> >Not being intimately familia
> There are legitimate purposes for escrowing it on the Isle of Man
> over and above keeping it out of a court's hands. The key is to
> have _some_ leg to stand on when asked "if not trying to thwart the
> authority of this court, why did you do that." Good answers might
> sound like: "I wanted
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