Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-22 Thread Petro
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 01:48 PM, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote: > >> Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. >> "Programmers Rally Against Terrorism"? > > I wonder how many non-Brits will get this... A few. -- "Remembe

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-19 Thread mmotyka
"Roy M. Silvernail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote: > >> Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. >> "Programmers Rally Against Terrorism"? > >I wonder how many non-Brits will get this... > > >-- >Roy M. Silvernail >Proprietor, scytale.com

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-19 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote: > Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. > "Programmers Rally Against Terrorism"? I wonder how many non-Brits will get this... -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:34 PM 11/18/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:03:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> So though the cypherpunks list is moribund, and cypherpunks >> are no longer fashionable, > >True. The DC cypherpunks are thinking of changing their name to something >more cu

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:03:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So though the cypherpunks list is moribund, and cypherpunks > are no longer fashionable, True. The DC cypherpunks are thinking of changing their name to something more cuddly. (At least that's according to discussions on the loc

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-18 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > This is actually partly true -- even Freenet, perhaps the most > promising cypherpunkly project with live code right now, barely gets a > mention on the list. Mojonation is ailing, too. Barely a trickle of few posts/week on all mojo lists taken toge

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-17 Thread jamesd
-- On 18 Nov 2001, at 2:00, Nomen Nescio wrote: > The larger question is, what is it about the cypherpunk > worldview which is so wrong? Why do cypherpunks constantly > predict events which don't come true? Those who plan revolution always overestimate the pace of change, just as those who s

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-17 Thread jamesd
-- Someone wrote: > Speaking of laws by Christmas, anyone want to give odds on > the accuracy of Tim May's prediction on September 13: > >Dark times are coming. I'll bet a complete ban on >strong, unescrowed crypto is passed in all European >countries, Russia, China, Japan, and the

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:00:15AM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > Speaking of laws by Christmas, anyone want to give odds on the accuracy > of Tim May's prediction on September 13: > >Dark times are coming. I'll bet a complete ban on strong, unescrowed >crypto is passed in all European cou

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-17 Thread keyser-soze
At 02:00 AM 11/18/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >The larger question is, what is it about the cypherpunk worldview which is so wrong? Why do cypherpunks constantly predict events which don't come true? And is this faulty vision responsible for the failure of the cypherpunks to maintain their c

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
> Maybe it's not too late. But if this group is ever to resume its role > as an exciting place where the future of computing is visible, it must > refocus its efforts. Cypherpunks should think positively, look past > current troubles, and start talking again about crypto technology and > how it