Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 11:40:10PM -0500, Tim May wrote: > I want Bush to become President so I can see at least a few years of > another party in power before going ahead and advocating that they Maybe. But there is a substantial law and order wing in the Republican Party led by snoophappy fol

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-29 Thread Peter Tonoli
I've been thinking about Carnivore for days. I can't really see the data that it collects/spews forth being anywhere near uncontestable. On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote: > At 5:48 PM -0500 11/28/00, David Honig wrote: > >At 06:54 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote: > >>Of course if they leav

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-28 Thread Tim May
At 5:48 PM -0500 11/28/00, David Honig wrote: >At 06:54 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote: >>Of course if they leave the machine [Carnivore] in the cage you can always >stop >>feeding it electricity. Or take it home to show the neighbours. It might >>make a good conversation piece at dinner. Or m

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-28 Thread David Honig
At 06:54 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote: >Of course if they leave the machine [Carnivore] in the cage you can always stop >feeding it electricity. Or take it home to show the neighbours. It might >make a good conversation piece at dinner. Or maybe use it as an ashtray. >At 10:36 PM 11/27/00 -

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-28 Thread Ken Brown
Tim May wrote: [...snip...] > Well, if I ran a small ISP, I think I'd say: "You got a wiretap order > for one person. That order has now run its course. Get your machine > out of my cage." [...snip...] Of course if they leave the machine in the cage you can always stop feeding it electricity.

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-27 Thread Declan McCullagh
I believe ECPA speaks to this explicitly, and where common law may (at least arguably) be ambiguous about meatspace, U.S. statutory law regarding electronic communications is not. I may look this up and provide a cite if nobody else does in the next day or so. -Declan On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 1

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-27 Thread Tim May
At 9:56 PM -0500 11/27/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >A report is to conclude that the FBI's e-mail surveillance system >does not threaten civil liberties. Privacy advocates remain >unconvinced. >By Jennifer DiSabatino >Privacy advocates said they remain leery about the FBI's Carnivore >e-mail s