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On 22 Oct 2001, at 23:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My understanding
> (from questioning on this topic in the distant past with an
> MD/"shrink") is that the sodium
> thiopental/pentobarbital/etc. "truth serum" is an urban
> legend. He was quite specific that the drug was a definite
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Subject: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
> Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> >> Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible
> >> situations. I cannot
>Besides, the Taliban don't dance.
When the B-52's are performing even the Taliban develop rhythm.
Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
>> Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible
>> situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this
>> kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, an
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible
> situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this
> kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next
> three hours" timetab
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:04:44PM -0500, Jon Beets wrote:
> This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times
> conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a
> whole would be considering this...
Yes, journalists like those at the Times and t
> At the risk of being told to go google (which I guess I'll do in a
> moment), does anyone have any information either contrary to this, or
> possibly of another "truth serum" that would fit the stated bill?
Methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine.
At 9:04 PM -0500 10/22/01, Jon Beets wrote:
>This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times
>conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a
>whole would be considering this...
>
>Jon Beets
And you base your doubts on what? The FBI's sterli
David Honig wrote:
> 1. Since death in combat is far more heroic [1] to these folks than it
> is to Americans, the torturers will have to be careful.
...
> [1] Though one wonders whether psyops -mutilation of corpse and cliched pig
> games-
> would help.
So, the torturers should get rid of their
At 10:33 PM 10/22/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be
>> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many
>> Amerikans :-(
>
>Yep. It's go
At 09:04 PM 10/22/01 -0500, Jon Beets wrote:
>This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times
>conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a
>whole would be considering this...
>
>Jon Beets
>
"all the normalities of the social contract are
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote:
> If the U.S. abandons the standard that no person shall be compelled to
> be a witness against himself--something the "truth serum" drugging
> option would of course imply just as surely as torture would--the end
> times will be upon us.
I submit that thi
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 07:33 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be
>> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many
>> Amerikans :-(
Well hell in those extreme circumstances. But we are hardly at that place
yet.
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be
> > not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many
> > Amerikans :-(
>
> Yep. It's g
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:13:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It seems that in todays hyper-"patriotic" environment, this is would be
> not only an "accepted practice", but even a _preferred_ one by many
> Amerikans :-(
Yep. It's going to be a hard political sell to insist that yes, this
i
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Jon Beets wrote:
> Subject: CDR: Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
>
> This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times
> conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a
> whole
This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times
conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a
whole would be considering this...
Jon Beets
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