Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-10 Thread Neil Johnson
http://www.chaum.com has list of his articles and some posted. -Neil - Original Message - From: "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspec

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-10 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:12 PM 11/09/2001 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 01:10 AM 11/9/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >>[...] >>A few other irrelevant points have been made. Given that ID is not >>perfectly reliable, do we need to tattoo numbers on people's forearms? >>This is the fallacy of perfection. ID can be

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-09 Thread Greg Broiles
At 01:10 AM 11/9/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >[...] >A few other irrelevant points have been made. Given that ID is not >perfectly reliable, do we need to tattoo numbers on people's forearms? >This is the fallacy of perfection. ID can be combined with a simple >thumbprint for biometric ident

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-09 Thread Incognito Innominatus
Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Tim May wrote: > > Nomen Nescio and others should read Chaum's "Credentials without > > identity" papers. A true name is just another credential, not > > necessarily more important than any of several other credentials. People > > should think deeply about this issue. > >

Re: CDR: Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-09 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Tim May wrote: > > I would like to read these papers. Are they available on-line? > > > > If they are, search engines will very likely have indexed them. > > I would do the search for you, but your retainer has expired. Just thought you might know offhand. Search engines it is... Marc de Pi

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 07:09 PM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Tim May wrote: > >> Nomen Nescio and others should read Chaum's "Credentials without >> identity" papers. A true name is just another credential, not >> necessarily more important than any of several other credentials. >> Pe

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Nomen Nescio
There are so many misconceptions floating around here it's hard to know where to begin. But let's start with two points of agreement. First, airport screening is far from perfect. There is no way to detect all possible threats coming on the airplane. And given the technology and time available

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:58:04PM -0500, Trei, Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > > > > The confusion "Nomen Nescio" shows in thinking that an is-a-person > > government tracking system fixes the airline security problem is common > > these days. It's the

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Tim May
Greg Broiles and Peter Trei both make excellent points. I kind of regret not spending an hour or so writing a more complete essay. But I wanted to get some of the ideas out, mainly to refute the wrong-headed ideas floating around from folks as diverse as John Ashcroft and Nomen Whatever. Fact

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread georgemw
On 8 Nov 2001, at 11:58, Greg Broiles wrote: > It's a popular fantasy, this idea that people will faithfully report a > "true name" which can be matched to a database of past actions which will > reliably predict future behavior - but it's a failure in every way, from > the notion of a true,

RE: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Trei, Peter
> Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > > The confusion "Nomen Nescio" shows in thinking that an is-a-person > government tracking system fixes the airline security problem is common > these days. It's the same confusion that causes many to think national > I.D. cards will fix current pressi

Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection

2001-11-08 Thread Greg Broiles
At 09:46 AM 11/8/2001 -0800, Tim May wrote: >The confusion "Nomen Nescio" shows in thinking that an is-a-person >government tracking system fixes the airline security problem is common >these days. It's the same confusion that causes many to think national >I.D. cards will fix current pressing