At 10:37 AM -0700 7/21/01, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>> Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property,
>> their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this
>> point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list:
>
>Cato is the first place that I vi
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 10:00:54AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
> You fucking hypocrite. At least half the crap you spew is nothing more
> than ad hominims.
In many a distant land, one can hear the laugher as it rolls over
hills and into valleys; just as those gripped by hilarity at its
source roll o
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Agreed, 100% Paradoxically, I also agree that the "fucking shit up" is
> often necessary to generate suffucient public recognition of the issues at
> hand.
>
> No, I don't have an answer to this paradox.
Paradoxes arise, usually, because the re
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 12:14:52AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> > You are a ... "journalist" ???
>
> Everyone's a journalist nowadays.
They always were. The 'commercial' distinction about 'press' is a false
and unconstitutional distinction.
The
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
> Dunno... Seeing what went down in Gothenburg, and the shit that's going on
> now in Genoa, I too am beginning to think there is something very wrong with
> all this...
Duh. What was your first clue?
> >The property-destroying "anarchists" are giving
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 10:37:48AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> > Cato is the first place that I visit when curious about the current agenda of
> > the unique mix of libertarian/new world order propaganda.
>
> So instead of responding to the text
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
> "all power flows from the barrel of a gun?" Maybe so. But most people who
> sign contracts are more motivated by the threat of lawsuits, jail and fines
> than the direct threat of violence.
What you are missing here is that the threat of jail and fines a
> So instead of responding to the text of the article, you rant about the
I am not going to analyze adverts from your site - if you have to say something
say it here - as I tried to explain in simple terms, spamming with canned stuff
is not the point of a discussion.
Or is it too expensive for y
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 10:37:48AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> Cato is the first place that I visit when curious about the current agenda of
> the unique mix of libertarian/new world order propaganda.
So instead of responding to the text of the article, you rant about the
author. That's intelle
At 05:27 PM 7/21/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
>
>Not all of us. In fact, if you look at the statistics, e.g. we Finnish
>people are actually quite *well* armed. Just not with handguns, but hunting
>rifles.
I've read that the Finnish Surgeon General (equiv.) *recommends* the use
of silencers; a
> Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property,
> their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this
> point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list:
Cato is the first place that I visit when curious about the current agenda of
the uniq
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
>WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY?
>
>Why are't shop owners spraying the looters with automatic weapons fire?
>
>Because, of course, Europeans are disarmed.
Not all of us. In fact, if you look at the statistics, e.g. we Finnis
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 12:14:52AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> You are a ... "journalist" ???
Everyone's a journalist nowadays.
> Where, pray tell, did you divine that G8 protesters "don't believe in property"
> ?
Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property,
their e
--- Duncan Frissell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> defending according to your prior post. I thought they didn't really
> believe in property?
You are a ... "journalist" ???
Where, pray tell, did you divine that G8 protesters "don't believe in property"
?
Or did you feel in your little brain t
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote:
> At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and
> >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own).
>
> Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" a
At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and
>planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own).
Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" are the "property" they are
defending according to your pr
I assume from the tone that Msr. Sandfort meant to send it to the list...
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:53:52 -0700
From: Sandy Sandfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Killing the G8 Anarchists
Inchoa
At 04:56 PM 7/20/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and
>planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own).
Presumably "their cultures" and "their planet" are the "property" they are
defending according to your pr
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
> Speaking for myself, I'm not "owned" by anyone. I obey state and federal
> laws though, if that's what you mean.
Even when they're unconstitutional I bet...
Some American.
> You don't need a gun to enforce
> ownership, what do you think contract and pr
Someone behind a remailer wrote:
>You stupid american fuck,
So it's an insult to be American, is it? Who's being bigoted now. If you
really have something interesting to contribute, why not bypass the
namecalling and stick to the issues.
> ownership is very relative term and enforced by gun
Inchoate sputtered:
> ...The real reason they're not
> sensitive to these particular
> 'anarchist' is that they aren't
> motivated by the alure of money.
> They aspire to a higher calling
> than crass commercialism or
> puritanical ego fulfillment...
Oh boy! If Jim REALLY believes this crap (wh
>WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR PROPERTY?
>
>Why are't shop owners spraying the looters with automatic weapons fire?
Your bigotry got some boost this morning (cypherpunk readers may be amused
to know what nazi methods you advocate for homeless).
You stupid american fuc
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Petro wrote:
> >Just as much as these protesters object to having their cultures and
> >planet raped and pillaged for the God $ Fascist good (and not their own).
>
> Most of those protesters are white Europeans. The only thing they are
> protesting is their own lack
At 4:56 PM -0500 7/20/01, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>
>> Tim May wrote:
>>
>> > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE
>> > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR
>> > PROPERTY?
>> >
>> > Why are't shop owners spraying the
>> > looters with automatic weapons fire?
>> >
>> > Becaus
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> Fortunately for the Swiss, Tim has it pretty much wrong. Switzerland and
> pretty much universal mandatory military service for males. The mandatory
> part is offensive,
Just another example of why the C-A-C-L contingent doesn't have a clue, no
con
One of the points that Tim is missing is that these demonstraters are only
protecting their property, in their view.
As usual, Tim confuses 'God $ Fascist' with 'Anarchist'.
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
> I've watched this list with bemusement as several of you have cheered
> on the G8
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> Tim May wrote:
>
> > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE
> > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR
> > PROPERTY?
> >
> > Why are't shop owners spraying the
> > looters with automatic weapons fire?
> >
> > Because, of course, Europeans are
> > disarmed.
>
> Not enti
where did you here that they had SMG's I was told they had Sig 551's (an
assault rifle)
alpha
- Original Message -
From: "Sandy Sandfort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Killing the G8 Anarchi
Tim May wrote:
> And even in Switzerland, my
> understanding is that the rifles
> issued to each male head of
> household (maybe single moms, but
> I doubt it) are kept IN THE HOUSES,
> not in shops and businesses and
> factories. Some of them might have
> carried their rifles to their
> business
At 11:01 AM -0700 7/20/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Tim May wrote:
>
>> WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE
>> PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR
>> PROPERTY?
>>
>> Why are't shop owners spraying the
>> looters with automatic weapons fire?
>>
>> Because, of course, Europeans are
>> disarmed.
>
>Not entire
Tim May wrote:
> WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE
> PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR
> PROPERTY?
>
> Why are't shop owners spraying the
> looters with automatic weapons fire?
>
> Because, of course, Europeans are
> disarmed.
Not entirely true. If the G8 folks really wanted to avoid "collateral
damage"
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 09:58:10AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> Because, of course, Europeans are disarmed. Not like our Korean and
> white merchants in L.A., who used shotguns and AR-15s to kill the
> blacks and Mexicans who tried to burn down their stores.
Worse yet, apparently the shopkeepers of
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