Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-27 Thread Declan McCullagh
Some details from a 1996 paper: http://www.cs.georgetown.edu/~denning/infosec/Grounding.txt -Declan On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:35:51AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > Curious. 4-5 years ago Denning and another associate (I > forget who, it's in the archives :-) tried to market an authentication > s

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-26 Thread Sunder
Um, rethorical question, but from my very limited understanding of GPS, all the satelites do is send a series of time codes. So if you wanted to you could build several transmitters that sent out stuff on the same frequenies. Since you need to be outside to be able to use GPS, or at least "see s

RE: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-26 Thread Trei, Peter
Curious. 4-5 years ago Denning and another associate (I forget who, it's in the archives :-) tried to market an authentication scheme which purported to authenticate the location of a remote user using GPS. The idea was that the user's machine would pick up the aggregate analog GPS signal avai

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:35 AM 11/22/01 -0800, John Young wrote: Do caves >serve as acoustic resonators to emit recorded whispers up >ventilating shafts? Their waveguide, not resonance, properties might be of interest, if their CO2 emissions -whether speaking or silent- were not so telling. Unless Osama's got a *b

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Given that a GPS receiver gets ephemeris data, almanach data and > pseudorandom code from each currently visible sat it has probably to do > with the latter. Consider S/A (which may or may not be switched off now, I > haven't checked): if you've got a se

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:06 AM 11/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Time Magazine, November 26, 2001: > >Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption. >Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep >information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as >determined by GPS satellites. Move st

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > Using a GPS coordinate set as keying material? Hope it's just Given that a GPS receiver gets ephemeris data, almanach data and pseudorandom code from each currently visible sat it has probably to do with the latter. Consider S/A (which may or may

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Peter Wayner
At 11:06 AM -0800 11/22/01, John Young wrote: >Time Magazine, November 26, 2001: This is a fascinating idea, but problematic. The simplest approach is easy to spoof. Let's say that you encrypt the data with the GPS coordinates X. The software takes GPS coordinates from a GPS receiver and tries to

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On 22 Nov 2001, at 11:06, John Young wrote: > Time Magazine, November 26, 2001: > > Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption. > Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep > information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as > determined by GPS satellite

Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread John Young
Google shows one "geo-encryption" patented by CoinCard, which may or may not be a component of Denning's geo-crypto. Because CoinCard is a Canadian company, its geo-encryption may have nothing to do with Denning's. CoinCard uses a system composed of a swipe card and passive card reader to decryp