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On 9 Dec 2004 at 16:15, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> (3) The other camp believes that stego is a lab-only toy,
> unsuitable for much of anything besides scaring the shit out
> of the people in the Satan camp.
I have used stego for practical purposes. The great advantage
of stego is that it co
> It seems consistent that Al Qaeda prefers being 'fish in the sea' to
> standing out by use of crypto. Also, given the depth and breadth of
> conspiracies they believe in, it seems that they might see all us
> cryptographers as a massive deception technique to get them to use bad
> crypto. (And h
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> Psyops ain't just for the (overt) military you know...
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/10367781.htm
Truth be told, lies are part of Pentagon strategy
By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - "The f
* Adam Shostack:
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 10:24:09PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> | * R. A. Hettinga quotes a news article:
> |
> | > There have been numerous media reports in recent years that terrorist
> | > groups, including al-Qaida, were using steganographic techniques.
> |
> | As far a
At 02:47 PM 12/9/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>Oh, general cluelessness doesn't suprise me. What suprises me is that
the
>writer of the original article seemed to believe that Stego was a new
>development.
The high-level pigs try to introduce this hysteria-generator
periodically.
The dumb typists
--- "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Bill Stewart wrote:
>
> > The more serious problem is what this means for computer evidence
> > search and seizure procedures - the US has some official rules about
> > "copy the disk and return the computer" that came out of
* R. A. Hettinga quotes a news article:
> There have been numerous media reports in recent years that terrorist
> groups, including al-Qaida, were using steganographic techniques.
As far as I know, these news stories can be tracked back to a
particular USA Today story. There's also been a bunch
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Bill Stewart wrote:
> The more serious problem is what this means for computer evidence
> search and seizure procedures - the US has some official rules about
> "copy the disk and return the computer" that came out of the Steve Jackson
> case, not that they're always followed
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 10:24:09PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
| * R. A. Hettinga quotes a news article:
|
| > There have been numerous media reports in recent years that terrorist
| > groups, including al-Qaida, were using steganographic techniques.
|
| As far as I know, these news stories can
For instance, a seemingly innocent digital photo of a dog could be
doctored to contain a picture of an explosive device or hidden wording.
Of course, the _real_ message wasn't hidden in subtle stego bits -
it was whether the picture was Bush's dog, Cheney's dog, or Blair's dog.
It recommends inv
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote:
> Perhaps LEA confuse themselves thinking al-q is inciting a cultural
> revolution?
In all seriousness, there is some of that fear within the LE community.
I'm sure it's about the same as when the weathermen were running around
the pentagon's bathro
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Trei, Peter wrote:
> J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my
> > belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that
> > use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages
> > only. I really do not understand why this view
>
Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego
detector, without >knowing the techniques used for encoding the message.
And if you know the distribution of your >cover channel as well as your
attacker, or can generate lots of values from that distribution even if
>y
--- "R.W. (Bob) Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Thompson wrote:
> >[assholes]
>
> You tell them, Steve
I believe I just did.
> Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist!
I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the
White Room Hotel may only carr
J.A. Terranson wrote:
> (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my
> belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that
> use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages
> only. I really do not understand why this view
> is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty de
>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
...
>NSA folks, on the
>From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida me
Steve Thompson wrote:
--- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lions and Tigers and Steganography, Nell...
For those of you without a program, here is the new, official, Horsemen
of
the Infocalypse Scorecard:
At 3:14 PM -0400 10/3/04, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Horseman Color
--- "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lions and Tigers and Steganography, Nell...
>
> For those of you without a program, here is the new, official, Horsemen
> of
> the Infocalypse Scorecard:
>
> At 3:14 PM -0400 10/3/04, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> > Horseman Color Ch
J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that,
because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was
only starting to use it right then?
Thats an interesting question on several d
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that,
> because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was
> only starting to use it right then?
Thats an interesting question on several different levels:
(1
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Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:19:55 -0600 (CST)
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> What a fuckin
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> What a fuckin' joke. You mean they're only now realizing that Al-Qaeda could
> use stego? Do they think they're stupid?
>
> Nah...certainly the NSA are fully prepared to handle this. I doubt it's much
> of a development at all to those in the know.
>
> -T
What a fuckin' joke. You mean they're only now realizing that Al-Qaeda could
use stego? Do they think they're stupid?
Nah...certainly the NSA are fully prepared to handle this. I doubt it's much
of a development at all to those in the know.
-TD
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