On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If, however, it turns out that all the terrorists were from some
> countries that are unfree, poor and miserable, and are outraged by the
> fact that we are free, rich and happy, and blame us, rather than
> themselves, for their poverty and misery, t
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On 12 Sep 2001, at 14:59, Trei, Peter wrote:
> I sincerely hope that the remaining perpetrators of this
> atrocity are found and punished, but entertain no illusions
> that doing so will prevent future attacks. That can only come
> from a shift of US government attitude from "I've got th
On 12 Sep 2001, at 16:32, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:59:57PM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
> > This morning the local media here in Massachusetts were reporting
> > that a bag for the flight which fortuitously failed to get on the
> > plane was found to contain a Koran, "Is
Peter Trei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Stewart[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
>> And even then, Swedish president Palme was assassinated some years
>> ago.
[...]
> He was far from merely a Swedish president.
Quite true. He was Swedish prime-minister, there is no president in
_Kingdom_ of Sw
At 12:33 AM 9/12/01 -0400, Sunder wrote:
>I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
>wake everyone else up to do the same.
No, you *wouldn't* have *before* ---you'd expect to land and hang
out for a while. Rather exotic for an American, but it happens.
But now, of c
At 08:08 PM 9/11/01 -0700, Lucky Green wrote about arming citizens & plane
travellers.
Would regular ammo trash the plane? Would you have to ask passengers
to load up with nylon or frangible ammo for the plane trip?
[In _Unintended Consequences_ nylon bullets are used for extreme
nonpenetration
> Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>
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> "Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
>
> > I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> > a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> > and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus t
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
>A friend of mine wonders if they had a Boeing flight simulator.
>Apparently they would need to know how to disable the autopilot and do a
>couple of other technobabble things a groundling like me doesn't
>recognise.
Nuh. That *is* something you can easily c
Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> "Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
>
> > I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> > a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> > and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus the
> > most important quality
"Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote:
> I don't see where only a terrorist group backed by the resources of
> a national government could pull this off. A week or two for planning
> and a group of people who can keep their mouth's shut plus the
> most important quality, big gonads and a desire to die for
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Sunder wrote:
> I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
> wake everyone else up to do the same.
I'd like to think I would have, but honestly I don't know. Also, if the
first rusher is killed, that acts as a negative example for the others.
Th
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
> Oh and Im sure having guns on board planes would work out great
> especially considering the increase of people having huge fucking fits
> and having to be held down on planes, yeah, lets arm people on
I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
wake everyone else up to do the same.
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
+ ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
\|/ :aren't security. A |share them,
I'd still fucking rush them if I had been there. If anything it would
wake everyone else up to do the same.
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
+ ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
\|/ :aren't security. A |share them,
It was indeed very sureal. Everyone was calm and quiet, no crazy panicked
mobs, just orderly, slow, methodical evacuation... Of course the first
thing to go was cell phones, just from the sheer volume. I did manage one
or two calls to loved ones.
There was a smaller queue of people in Radio Sh
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
>
> >At gun ranges across the country, where just about everybody is armed,
> >physical violence is virtually nonexistent. Ever wonder why this is the
> >case? After thinking about it for a while, even the slower ones amongst us
> >might be able to figu
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
> How about odds of 20 to 1 with the one having a knife
If you don't you die. No if's, no and's, no but's. If you do, you (and
others) got a chance...
I've always held that rational, ethical, moral police policy (and social
expectation) for any so
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
> Oh and Im sure having guns on board planes would work out great
> especially considering the increase of people having huge fucking fits
> and having to be held down on planes, yeah, lets arm people on planes.
> Have you ever fucking even been on a p
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
>
> >At gun ranges across the country, where just about everybody is armed,
> >physical violence is virtually nonexistent. Ever wonder why this is the
> >case? After thinking about it for a while, even the slower ones amongst us
> >might be able to figu
>I'm 100% positive that a single armed terrorist with the best training in
>the world would perish within seconds at the hands of 50+ such businessmen
>before taking out more than several victims. To understand this, you must
>think as they did.
Then how come 84 unarmed people could not take ap
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Normen Nomesco wrote:
> Oh and Im sure having guns on board planes would work out great
> especially considering the increase of people having huge fucking fits
> and having to be held down on planes, yeah, lets arm people on planes.
> Have you ever fucking even been on a pla
>At gun ranges across the country, where just about everybody is armed,
>physical violence is virtually nonexistent. Ever wonder why this is the
>case? After thinking about it for a while, even the slower ones amongst us
>might be able to figure out the cause.
Gun ranges are places were reasonab
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Lucky Green wrote:
> At gun ranges across the country, where just about everybody is armed,
> physical violence is virtually nonexistent. Ever wonder why this is the
> case? After thinking about it for a while, even the slower ones amongst us
> might be able to figure out th
Normen wrote:
Oh and Im sure having guns on board planes would work out great
especially considering the increase of people having huge fucking fits
and having to be held down on planes, yeah, lets arm people on planes.
Ignoring for a moment if it is indeed true that mor
It was indeed very sureal. Everyone was calm and quiet, no crazy panicked
mobs, just orderly, slow, methodical evacuation... Of course the first
thing to go was cell phones, just from the sheer volume. I did manage one
or two calls to loved ones.
There was a smaller queue of people in Radio Sh
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