Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
I can't remember what the exact deal was with Kinko (and they were the one being sued), but the net effect was that people are being a lot more careful. Here, in fact, Kinko totally moved out of the student/university area, went off to suburbia, and I see no signs anymore at their new site ab

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-29 Thread Petro
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 10:31 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > But as I said, most professors are being much more careful about > getting permission beforehand and most copy places are being more > careful about what they sell. If I remember the results correctly, Kinko's keeps tr

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-26 Thread David Wagner
Anonymous wrote: >Why, then, did you go ahead with publication? I believe publishing is important for the advancement of the field. If noone publishes, how will we learn from our mistakes? How will people learn of the risks? Fortunately, we are in a privileged position. The university has been

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-26 Thread Anonymous
David Wagner writes: > Given this risk, I've decided I cannot afford to continue to work in the > area of copy protection as long as the uncertainty remains. And how in > good conscience can I advise students working with me to work in this > troubled area? I can't. It's understandable that yo

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-26 Thread Harmon Seaver
Kinko's got sued over selling the "student packets", there was a big flap over it a few years ago in academia, but as I recall the end result was that professors are more careful to have written permission from the publishers in hand, and the packets are still being sold. Most publishers

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 06:51 PM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Tim May wrote: >> >> There were signs up about not violating copyright law, but these >> professor packs were in clear violation. > > Really? Sounds to me like they fall under "Fair Use." That provision > specifically exempts

Re: CDR: Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Tim May wrote: > Answer: they do! Go to any large copying center near a university and > look for "professor packs" or "HistCon 101 Course Materials" consisting > of copied material out of various textbooks, hard and soft. The deal is > that the student takes the professor pack over to a copy m

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 01:23:42PM -0800, Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 01:09 PM, Eric Cordian wrote: > > Why don't people copy paperback books? Because it is cheaper to buy > > them. > > Not because the paperback book copyright police threaten you with >

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 01:09 PM, Eric Cordian wrote: > Why don't people copy paperback books? Because it is cheaper to buy > them. > Not because the paperback book copyright police threaten you with life > in > prison. > Why don't people copy hardback books? Answer: they do! Go to a

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread Eric Cordian
Declan opines: > (Note Dmitry has been indicted because he and his company were selling > software to circumvent copy protection.) Had they given the software away for free, or published code for the crack, they might have actually done some damage to copyright holders. Instead, they charged e

Re: HDCP break and DMCA

2001-11-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
What makes you, Incognito, believe the DMCA may "criminalize" the publication of a scientific paper? What makes you believe that Niels Ferguson's worry was not hyperbole, or a PR stunt designed to garner press? What makes you think that a scientific paper would generate even civil liability? The