Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2002-01-10 Thread Sandy Harris
John Gilmore wrote: > > Anonymous said: > > The major problem that holds back the development of FreeS/WAN is > > with its management. [Management that cares more about sitting on > > its pulpit, than getting useful software into the hands of people.] > > Unless things have changed recently, the

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2002-01-10 Thread John Gilmore
> Or is there something we should be doing to get RedHat, and Debian, and > other US-based distributions to include it? Absolutely. It's already pretty secure. We should just make it trivial to install, automatic, transparent, self-configuring, painless to administer, and free of serious bugs.

Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties. > > Neither understands them. > > Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium. Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like "ad homi

Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like > > "ad hominem" and "ad nauseam," you ought to learn how they're spelled? > > Not knowing how they are spelled sorta makes people think you might not > know what they mean..

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
You make a good argument for dropping the non_U.S. only restriction. The risk may be worth the benefits of kernel integration. That could result in wider corporate use of IPSec to fight real security threats and make it much more difficult, politically, to suppress. My point was just that one

Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-12 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties. > > Neither understands them. > > Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium. Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like "ad homi

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-11 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 12:18 AM -0600 12/11/01, Jim Choate wrote: >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, John Gilmore wrote: > >> NSA's export controls. We overturned them by a pretty thin margin. >> The government managed to maneuver such that no binding precedents >> were set: if they unilaterally change the regulations tomorrow t

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-10 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, John Gilmore wrote: > NSA's export controls. We overturned them by a pretty thin margin. > The government managed to maneuver such that no binding precedents > were set: if they unilaterally change the regulations tomorrow to > block the export of public domain crypto, they

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

2001-12-10 Thread John Gilmore
Anonymous said: > The major problem that holds back the development of FreeS/WAN is > with its management. [Management that cares more about sitting on > its pulpit, than getting useful software into the hands of people.] > Unless things have changed recently, they still won't accept > contributi