RE: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-24 Thread Trei, Peter
I tried sending this last week, but it did not seem to go through: Two points: 1. According to Poulson, the DOJ proposal never discussed just what would be logged. Poulson compared it to the European Big Brother legislation, which required storage to Web browsing histories and email header d

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread John Young
I appreciate what an honorable ISP admin will do to abide customer rights over intrusive snoopers and perhaps cooperative administrators above the pay grade of a sysadmin. Know that a decent sysadmin is on for about 1/3 of a weekday for 24x7 systems is a small comfort but leaves unanswered what c

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton
At 17:37 22/06/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter >halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the >corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still. You've got a point. Storage is becoming less and le

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread geer
Steve, Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still. If that relationship holds up over a period of years, today's tradeoffs between cache, re-computation

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton
At 18:57 21/06/2002 -0700, John Young wrote: >Data retention is being done now by programs and services >which cache data to ease loading on servers and networks. >[...] John, As a systems administrator @ an ISP, I can tell flat out that the software you describe has nothing to do with ISP ser

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-21 Thread John Young
Data retention is being done now by programs and services which cache data to ease loading on servers and networks. No approval needed from anybody, indeed, the service is being offered as a cost saver and expeditor of net services to ISPs and anybody else who might be eager to get around restric

Followup: [RE: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.]

2002-06-21 Thread Trei, Peter
ursday, June 20, 2002 10:57 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law. > > Trei, Peter wrote: > > - start quote - > > > > Cyber Security Plan Cont

Re: CDR: Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-20 Thread measl
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, David G. Koontz wrote: > Whats next, censorship? Yes. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than co

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David G. Koontz" writes: >Trei, Peter wrote: >> - start quote - >> >> Cyber Security Plan Contemplates U.S. Data Retention Law >> http://online.securityfocus.com/news/486 >> >> Internet service providers may be forced into wholesale spying >> on their customers

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-20 Thread David G. Koontz
Trei, Peter wrote: > - start quote - > > Cyber Security Plan Contemplates U.S. Data Retention Law > http://online.securityfocus.com/news/486 > > Internet service providers may be forced into wholesale spying > on their customers as part of the White House's strategy for > securing cyberspace.