Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

On 2004-09-16T20:11:56-0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > At 02:17 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Joe Touch wrote: > >Except that certs need to be signed by authorities that are trusted. > > Name one. Oh, come on. Nothing can be absolutely trusted. How much security is enough? Aren't the DOD CAs trusted

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Re: public-key: the wrong model for email?

At 10:28 PM 9/16/04 +0200, Hadmut Danisch wrote: >Because PKC works for this Alice&Bob communication scheme. If you >connect to a web server, then what you want to know, or what >authentication means is: "Are you really www.somedomain.com?" >That's the Alice&Bob model. SSL is good for that. What m

Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

At 02:17 PM 9/16/04 -0700, Joe Touch wrote: >Except that certs need to be signed by authorities that are trusted. Name one.

Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

Bill Stewart wrote: At 02:17 PM 9/16/2004, Joe Touch wrote: Ian Grigg wrote: On the backbone, between BGP peers, one would have thought that there are relatively few attackers, as the staff are highly trusted and the wires are hard to access - hence no active attacks going on and only some passive

Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

At 02:17 PM 9/16/2004, Joe Touch wrote: Ian Grigg wrote: On the backbone, between BGP peers, one would have thought that there are relatively few attackers, as the staff are highly trusted and the wires are hard to access - hence no active attacks going on and only some passive eavesdropping attack

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Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

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Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

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RE: Symantec labels China censor-busting software as Trojan

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