On 5/31/2009 10:15 AM, Ken Brown wrote:
On 5/31/2009 9:36 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
Currently the code sends ^H for Alt+Backspace, which clobbers 'kill
word' in emacs, so that still needs to either move to Ctrl+Backspace
or be removed altogether.
Right. I forgot about that. Presumably there's no
On 5/31/2009 9:36 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
Currently the code sends ^H for Alt+Backspace, which clobbers 'kill
word' in emacs, so that still needs to either move to Ctrl+Backspace
or be removed altogether.
Right. I forgot about that. Presumably there's no linux standard that
says Alt-Backspace
2009/5/31 Ken Brown:
> As I long-time emacs user, I have to say that I have never been tempted to
> type Ctrl-Backspace in emacs. But, as a result of this discussion, I just
> tried it in three different settings and got three different behaviors.
> (The three settings were: emacs under X, emacs
On 5/31/2009 5:13 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
2009/5/30 Matt Wozniski:
On Debian, at least, the console sends ^H for Ctrl+Backspace and ^?
for Backspace; that is a pretty common convention among terminal
emulators that I've used. I vote against the ^_ suggestion; I for one
would be genuinely surprised
2009/5/30 Ken Brown:
> Now C-h and Backspace work as expected when I run emacs in a Cygwin console,
> provided I do stty erase ^? first. Am I right in assuming that this won't
> be necessary once the termios default is changed?
Yep.
2009/5/30 Matt Wozniski:
> On Debian, at least, the console se
On 5/30/2009 1:53 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
However, I have made the change to Cygwin to translate backspace to ^?.
It will be in the next snapshot.
Thanks!
Now C-h and Backspace work as expected when I run emacs in a Cygwin
console, provided I do stty erase ^? first. Am I right in assum
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>The Linux console in Opensuse actually does the same thing, and two's
>>>a standard, right? ;)
>>
>> Actually, no. I emulated the linux console on my system. kterminal and
>> xterm also makes no distinction that I can see between CTRL-Backspac
>>The Linux console in Opensuse actually does the same thing, and two's
>>a standard, right? ;)
>
> Actually, no. I emulated the linux console on my system. kterminal and
> xterm also makes no distinction that I can see between CTRL-Backspace
> and Backspace.
As I said, I've seen the ^_ in the t
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:00:46PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> One more thing: with your change, Alt can be used to override ^? and
>> get ^H instead. Usually though, Ctrl is used as the modifier for this,
>> whereas Alt acts as Meta (i.e. it sends a ^[ prefix).
>
>Actually, we could take this one
> One more thing: with your change, Alt can be used to override ^? and
> get ^H instead. Usually though, Ctrl is used as the modifier for this,
> whereas Alt acts as Meta (i.e. it sends a ^[ prefix).
Actually, we could take this one step further. In MinTTY, if Backspace
is set to send ^?, Ctrl+Bac
Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>Now of course if emacs can translate low-level console I/O as it sees
>>fit, then the Cygwin DLL could also be able to translate Backspace into
>>^? characters rather than ^H, in CYGWIN=tty mode anyway. So I had a
>>look at fhandler_console.cc. It already uses ReadCon
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59:21PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
>Now of course if emacs can translate low-level console I/O as it sees
>fit, then the Cygwin DLL could also be able to translate Backspace into
>^? characters rather than ^H, in CYGWIN=tty mode anyway. So I had a
>look at fhandler_consol
On 5/29/2009 5:59 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
Now of course if emacs can translate low-level console I/O as it sees
fit, then the Cygwin DLL could also be able to translate Backspace
into ^? characters rather than ^H, in CYGWIN=tty mode anyway. So I had
a look at fhandler_console.cc. It already uses Re
>>> Actually, this holy war can be bypassed, without sacrificing Emacs
>>> correctly working on a console. What the console should send for that
>>> is the function key.
>>
>> Makes sense to me. Andy, is there any reason all cygwin terminals shouldn't
>> do this (including mintty)? This already
>> Actually, this holy war can be bypassed, without sacrificing Emacs
>> correctly working on a console. What the console should send for that
>> is the function key.
>
> Makes sense to me. Andy, is there any reason all cygwin terminals shouldn't
> do this (including mintty)? This already happe
On 5/29/2009 6:35 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:02:35 +0100
From: Andy Koppe
There's an ancient and pointless argument about whether the Backspace
key should send ^H (0x08) or ^? (0x7F).
Actually, this holy war can be bypassed, without sacrificing Emacs
correctly working o
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:02:35 +0100
> From: Andy Koppe
>
> Ken Brown:
> > A separate issue that has arisen in this thread is that when emacs runs
> > in a cygwin terminal [*], it sees C-h as DEL instead of as the help key.
> > Can someone familiar with cygwin terminals help with this? I'm sp
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:10:51 +0100
> From: Andy Koppe
>
> rxvt: invoke with -backspacekey DEC
> xterm: invoke with -xrm "*backarrowKey:false" (or untick "Backarrow
> Key" in the "Main Options" menu)
> mintty: Choose ^? as backspace keycode on the "Keys" page of the options
>
> As far as I k
On 5/28/2009 5:41 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
Ken Brown wrote:
On 5/28/2009 5:14 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
And then there's the problem that the Cygwin console can't be
changed to ^?.
Emacs doesn't work well in the Cygwin console anyway, for a variety of
reasons. I'll add that to the README
Ken Brown wrote:
On 5/28/2009 5:14 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
And then there's the problem that the Cygwin console can't be
changed to ^?.
Emacs doesn't work well in the Cygwin console anyway, for a variety of
reasons. I'll add that to the README and to the announcement when I
release the next v
On 5/28/2009 5:14 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
And then there's the problem that the Cygwin console can't be
changed to ^?.
Emacs doesn't work well in the Cygwin console anyway, for a variety of
reasons. I'll add that to the README and to the announcement when I
release the next version. (FWIW, I'
> Sorry, I guess I haven't been expressing myself very well. I wasn't
> suggesting any particular course of action, and I certainly don't want to
> break other applications.
No worries. I was just trying to explain why the proper and obvious
fix of switching the backspace defaults to ^? might be
On 5/28/2009 1:10 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
Could the default for the terminals be changed? Yes, easily, but only
at the cost of breaking any applications that always expect ^H for
Backspace.
Sorry, I guess I haven't been expressing myself very well. I wasn't
suggesting any particular course of a
>> Can cygwin terminals be
>> configured so that emacs can tell the difference between the Backspace key
>> and "pressing h while holding down the control key"?
>
> "pressing h while holding down the control key" produces ^H (0x08).
> By default, this is also what backspace sends. As Andy says, ma
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 5/28/2009 10:02 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>
>> There's an ancient and pointless argument about whether the Backspace
>> key should send ^H (0x08) or ^? (0x7F).
>
> I was asking something slightly different:
No, you were asking the same thing, y
On 5/28/2009 10:02 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
There's an ancient and pointless argument about whether the Backspace
key should send ^H (0x08) or ^? (0x7F).
I was asking something slightly different: Can cygwin terminals be
configured so that emacs can tell the difference between the Backspace
key
Ken Brown:
> A separate issue that has arisen in this thread is that when emacs runs
> in a cygwin terminal [*], it sees C-h as DEL instead of as the help key.
> Can someone familiar with cygwin terminals help with this? I'm speculating
> again (bad habit), but it seems that the keycodes are being
On 5/28/2009 3:48 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
What I can suggest at this point is send a formal bug report about
this with "M-x report-emacs-bug RET".
Tim,
You're probably in the best position to do this, since I've never used
tpu-edt. Alternatively, tell me precisely what steps to perform to
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