RE: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-24 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
Dave Korn sent the following at Friday, January 22, 2010 6:38 PM >On 22/01/2010 21:28, Don Beusee wrote: >>> People don't care about implementation details. They care about what >> is running on the system (the WHOLE system). > > You are speaking for yourself. Not "everyone in the world". (Larr

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-23 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 01/22/2010 06:15 PM, Don Beusee wrote: I am a unix user that has moved to windows. I want unix commands on windows that function like their unix counterparts. That is supposed to be one of cygwin's missions, is it not? Isn't that one of the main reasons people get cygwin? What's the point

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Warren Young
On 1/22/2010 4:15 PM, Don Beusee wrote: I am a unix user that has moved to windows. I want unix commands on windows that function like their unix counterparts. That is supposed to be one of cygwin's missions, is it not? Sorry, but you're not exactly on the side of the angels when you argue t

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Dave Korn
On 22/01/2010 21:28, Don Beusee wrote: > People don't care about implementation details. They care about what is > running on the system (the WHOLE system). You are speaking for yourself. Not "everyone in the world". Try not to forget that. cheers, DaveK -- Problem reports:

RE: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Don Beusee
at least allow us to change the default behavior on our systems that does not involve changing scripts or typing habits? Please? -Don -Original Message- From: Marco Atzeri [mailto:marco_atz...@yahoo.it] Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:03 PM To: cygwin@cygwin.com; d...@beusee.com Subject: R

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 01:28:05PM -0800, Don Beusee wrote: >People don't care about implementation details. They care about what >is running on the system (the WHOLE system). They want kill and ps to >show what's running on the system, not what cygwin "thinks" is running. >Since exec() creates a

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Charles Wilson
Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > adding a system-wide flag to the CYGWIN environment variable is a > 10 ton sledge hammer for the pin you're trying to drive home. Yep. Especially as adding this: alias ps='ps -W' to ~/.bashrc will DTRT. -- Chuck -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/probl

RE: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Marco Atzeri
--- Ven 22/1/10, Don Beusee ha scritto: > People don't care about > implementation details.  They care about what is > running on the system (the WHOLE system).  They want > kill and ps to show what's running on the system, not what > cygwin "thinks" is running.  then you are in the wrong place

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 01/22/2010 04:28 PM, Don Beusee wrote: People don't care about implementation details. They care about what is running on the system (the WHOLE system). They want kill and ps to show what's running on the system, not what cygwin "thinks" is running. Since exec() creates a new process on win

RE: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Don Beusee
almost all users will prefer this behavior. -Don -Original Message- From: Andy Koppe [mailto:andy.ko...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:02 PM To: d...@beusee.com; cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f 2010/1/22 Don Beusee: > ps -e on Unix displays

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-22 Thread Roger K. Wells
Don Beusee wrote: ps -e on Unix displays “every process running on the system”. This command doesn't do that under cygwin. Why should it be necessary to supply -W to see all processes running on the system? This makes it incompatible with Linux/Unix, and such scripts that rely on -e doing this

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-21 Thread Andy Koppe
2010/1/22 Don Beusee: > ps -e on Unix displays “every process running on the system”.  This command > doesn't do that under cygwin.  Why should it be necessary to supply -W to > see all processes running on the system? Because those processes are not Cygwin/Unix processes. In particular, they do n

Re: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-21 Thread Warren Young
On 1/21/2010 7:09 PM, Don Beusee wrote: ps -e on Unix displays “every process running on the system”. Not on every *ix. On FreeBSD, if you give -a (the BSD equivalent of -e) as an unprivileged user, you can't see other people's processes, for security reasons. It would be nice if every *ix

RE: Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-21 Thread Karl M
> From: don > To: cygwin > Subject: Why require ps -W and kill -f > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:09:03 -0800 > > ps -e on Unix displays “every process running on the system”. This command > doesn't do that under cygwin. Why should it be necessary to supply -W to > see

Why require ps -W and kill -f

2010-01-21 Thread Don Beusee
ps -e on Unix displays “every process running on the system”.  This command doesn't do that under cygwin.  Why should it be necessary to supply -W to see all processes running on the system?  This makes it incompatible with Linux/Unix, and such scripts that rely on -e doing this will not work the s