Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-24 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]! > Cliff Hones sent the following at Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:19 AM >>- a non-Cygwin envelope (which could even be installed as an msi) and > Please not an MSI. In my experience, one may need admin privileges to > install with an MSI in a locked-

RE: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
Cliff Hones sent the following at Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:19 AM >- a non-Cygwin envelope (which could even be installed as an msi) and Please not an MSI. In my experience, one may need admin privileges to install with an MSI in a locked-down environment. One of the things that I like about

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Warren Young
On 1/23/2014 10:57, Achim Gratz wrote: Warren Young writes: I've run into this after installing everything yesterday for my "size of Cygwin" research project. Now I'm trying to remove most of that piece by piece, but I keep getting tangled in dependency webs. In that case (and unrelated to th

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Achim Gratz
Warren Young writes: > I've run into this after installing everything yesterday for my "size > of Cygwin" research project. Now I'm trying to remove most of that > piece by piece, but I keep getting tangled in dependency webs. In that case (and unrelated to the problem you noted with setup.exe) y

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 23 11:01, Thrall, Bryan wrote: > Corinna Vinschen wrote on 2014-01-22: > > Actually I'm working on a method to get rid of /etc/passwd and > > /etc/group. I have a partially working implementation now, which > > generates passwd and group entries by fetching the infos from Windows on > > the

RE: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Thrall, Bryan
Andrey Repin wrote on 2014-01-23: >>> Actually I'm working on a method to get rid of /etc/passwd and >>> /etc/group. I have a partially working implementation now, which >>> generates passwd and group entries by fetching the infos from Windows >>> on the fly, compatible to the uids/gids and user/g

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Cliff Hones! > I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I suspect the problem with > maintenance/extension of setup.exe is twofold: firstly, it's a non-Cygwin > program and secondly it is large and not well structured. Also, the original > implementer/maintainer has long since left

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Thrall, Bryan! >> Actually I'm working on a method to get rid of /etc/passwd and >> /etc/group. I have a partially working implementation now, which >> generates passwd and group entries by fetching the infos from Windows on >> the fly, compatible to the uids/gids and user/group names

RE: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Thrall, Bryan
Corinna Vinschen wrote on 2014-01-22: > Actually I'm working on a method to get rid of /etc/passwd and > /etc/group. I have a partially working implementation now, which > generates passwd and group entries by fetching the infos from Windows on > the fly, compatible to the uids/gids and user/group

Re: AW: [bulk] - Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 1/23/2014 10:40 AM, DEWI - N. Zacharias wrote: [...] One solution to this would be to reimplement it as two separate parts - a non-Cygwin envelope (which could even be installed as an msi) and a Cygwin-based package maintainer. The Cygwin-based part would be a completely separate Cygwin

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Corinna Vinschen! > Actually I'm working on a method to get rid of /etc/passwd and > /etc/group. I have a partially working implementation now, which > generates passwd and group entries by fetching the infos from Windows on > the fly, compatible to the uids/gids and user/group names t

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Warren Young
On 1/23/2014 08:18, Cliff Hones wrote: One solution to this would be to reimplement it as two separate parts Please don't hijack this thread. It is about adding a feature to setup.exe. Replacing setup.exe isn't even on the table. For what it's worth, though, there've been a bunch of attem

AW: [bulk] - Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread DEWI - N. Zacharias
onsider the environment before printing this email. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: Cliff >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2014 16:19 >An: cygwin >Betreff: [bulk] - Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during >uninstall in setup.exe [...] >One solution to this woul

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Cliff Hones
On 23/01/2014 14:36, Warren Young wrote: > On 1/22/2014 18:13, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> If you were actually volunteering to do something then it wasn't made >> clear by your long email or in your lack of response to Larry's SHTDI. > > I'm not going to volunteer until I have some concept of th

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-23 Thread Warren Young
On 1/22/2014 18:13, Christopher Faylor wrote: If you were actually volunteering to do something then it wasn't made clear by your long email or in your lack of response to Larry's SHTDI. I'm not going to volunteer until I have some concept of the scope of work, and some idea of how you'd want

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 02:04:01PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: >On 1/21/2014 23:02, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>I think Corinna mentioned that she was going to get to this next >>Thursday or possibly I'm misremembering and she was going to complete >>work on an AI which passed the Turing Test. I ca

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-22 Thread Warren Young
On 1/21/2014 23:02, Christopher Faylor wrote: I think Corinna mentioned that she was going to get to this next Thursday or possibly I'm misremembering and she was going to complete work on an AI which passed the Turing Test. I can't, for the life of me, remember which it was. Or maybe she was

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-22 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 22 01:02, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 08:02:41PM -0500, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > >On 1/21/2014 7:44 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >> Alternate idea: > >> > >> If all of the changes requested on the previous screen are "Uninstall" > >> (i.e. > >> everything else is "K

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-21 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 08:02:41PM -0500, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >On 1/21/2014 7:44 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> Alternate idea: >> >> If all of the changes requested on the previous screen are "Uninstall" (i.e. >> everything else is "Keep" or "Skip"), invert the current dependency tree >> walkin

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-21 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 1/21/2014 7:44 PM, Warren Young wrote: Alternate idea: If all of the changes requested on the previous screen are "Uninstall" (i.e. everything else is "Keep" or "Skip"), invert the current dependency tree walking logic. That is, have setup.exe find out which packages must be removed to satis

Re: Reduce noise in dependency declaration during uninstall in setup.exe

2014-01-21 Thread Warren Young
Alternate idea: If all of the changes requested on the previous screen are "Uninstall" (i.e. everything else is "Keep" or "Skip"), invert the current dependency tree walking logic. That is, have setup.exe find out which packages must be removed to satisfy the changes requested on the previou