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AIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: RE: Big Brother is Real > On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 07:16:14PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:12:24PM -0800, Stephan Mueller wrote: > >>Speaking only for

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 07:16:14PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: >On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:12:24PM -0800, Stephan Mueller wrote: >>Speaking only for myself, and not my employer (because I don't know what >>he thinks) I can only say that from everyone I've met, and everything I >>do know, it ap

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:12:24PM -0800, Stephan Mueller wrote: >Speaking only for myself, and not my employer (because I don't know what >he thinks) I can only say that from everyone I've met, and everything I >do know, it appears to me that API changes are always made with >backwards compatibili

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-- indeed, the efforts made to remain compatible with existing apps are astounding. stephan(); -Original Message- From: Timothy C Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:09 PM To: Stephan Mueller Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Big Broth

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-Original Message- From: Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:34:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Big Brother is Real On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 07:28:14AM -0800, Tim Prince wrote: >Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration o

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:49:43PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:47:39PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >I got a hint lately about stuff working different on 64bit. If a 32 bit > >application is called from a 64 bit application the stack is 0xc000 > >lower than if

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:47:39PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:37:26PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> I think the only problem is that Cygwin probably just needs to be debugged >> to see what's going on. If someone wants to send me a nice 64 bit system >> runnin

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 04:37:26PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > I think the only problem is that Cygwin probably just needs to be debugged > to see what's going on. If someone wants to send me a nice 64 bit system > running WinXP 64 (or whatever it's called), I'll see what I can do. Coincid

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:37:19AM -0800, Stephan Mueller wrote: >Can someone elaborate on exactly which APIs have changed incompatibly >(in 64-bit Windows)? > >I'm only mildly familiar with the 64-bit story, but my understanding is >that the the 64-bit APIs are basically the same as 32-bit (with t

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On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 07:28:14AM -0800, Tim Prince wrote: >Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Windows XP64, Wow. I had no idea I was so powerful. I think I need a raise. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: h

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At 12:22 2003-04-03, Timothy C Prince wrote: ... "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company." -- Lily Tomlin __ They may care. I doubt their chances of overtaking linux-ia64 or making back their investment in XP64 this year are overwhelmi

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-Original Message- From: Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 07:34:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Big Brother is Real Tim, At 07:28 2003-04-03, you wrote: >... > >Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Window

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-Original Message- From: "Stephan Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:37:19 -0800 Subject: RE: Big Brother is Real Can someone elaborate on exactly which APIs have changed incompatibly (in 64-bit Windows)? I'm only

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ECTED] On Behalf > Of Igor Pechtchanski > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:31 AM > To: Andrew DeFaria > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Big Brother is Real > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote: > > > Tim Prince wrote: > > > > > Lack of cygwin s

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rsday, April 03, 2003 8:31 AM To: Andrew DeFaria Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Big Brother is Real On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote: > Tim Prince wrote: > > > Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Windows > > XP64, but it seems Microsoft w

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote: > Tim Prince wrote: > > > Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Windows > > XP64, but it seems Microsoft would rather lose out to linux and HPUX > > than let their customers run cygwin. It may be they don't understand > > how many cu

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Tim Prince wrote: Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Windows XP64, but it seems Microsoft would rather lose out to linux and HPUX than let their customers run cygwin. It may be they don't understand how many customers depend on cygwin, which is their fault too, since

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Steve Coleman wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: I think we have to work with the legal system, not try to subvert it. Microsoft has a right to set the licensing terms it wants. We have a right to tell them to go to hell. Currently however, and as you note, the power relationship is highly skewed.

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Tim, At 07:28 2003-04-03, you wrote: ... Lack of cygwin support has impeded the market penetration of Windows XP64, but it seems Microsoft would rather lose out to linux and HPUX than let their customers run cygwin. It may be they don't understand how many customers depend on cygwin, which is

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On Thursday 03 April 2003 06:54, Steve Coleman wrote: > Randall R Schulz wrote: > > I think we have to work with the legal system, not try to subvert it. > > Microsoft has a right to set the licensing terms it wants. We have a > > right to tell them to go to hell. Currently however, and as you note

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Randall R Schulz wrote: I think we have to work with the legal system, not try to subvert it. Microsoft has a right to set the licensing terms it wants. We have a right to tell them to go to hell. Currently however, and as you note, the power relationship is highly skewed. It ain't easy to "jus

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:14:23AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > >At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >>I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. > >>You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. > >

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:14:23AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. >>You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. > >Maybe a gold star would help persuade me to stay... Ok

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Randall R Schulz wrote: > Obligatory disclaimer: I ANAL. You? You'd better make that IANASCJ gsw -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:38:15AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > At 10:10 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >A lisp would be already a good start. Just don't write programs with it... > > Hey! Lisp is my all-time favorite language! Yeth, thath the thame with all Igorth... Corinna -- Corinna Vinsche

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Günter, That first remark of mine was meant facetiously, of course. SP3 does more than just open a privacy hole (I assume). My guess (nope, I haven't done the research--I had my child-like naivete destroyed by Igor's URL just today!) is that it's during system update that you're going to be pr

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Behalf Of Randall R Schulz Sent: Tuesday, 01 April, 2003 12:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Big Brother is Real Günter, At 09:56 2003-04-01, you wrote: >I missed out on that.. What does sp3 for win2k do? It opens a back door for MS snooping. DRM indeed! >Btw. I only use amd cpu&#x

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At 10:10 2003-04-01, you wrote: A lisp would be already a good start. Just don't write programs with it... Hey! Lisp is my all-time favorite language! Corinna -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation:

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:40:03AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >Chris, > >At 09:19 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >>>At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. You're too v

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > > Yes, master. How shall I punish myself? > > > > > > Y

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Linux STILL doesnt have driver support for the latest video cards.. In other words if you're working in Linux keep that VGA card ! -Martin - Original Message - From: "Thorsten Kampe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:53

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > > > >I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. >

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > Yes, master. How shall I punish myself? > > > > You didn't read your discworld careful enough. It's spelle

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3 11:56 To: 'Randall R Schulz'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Big Brother is Real I missed out on that.. What does sp3 for win2k do? Btw. I only use amd cpu's. To my understanding they don't have the cpu id (I don't trust a software that allows me to turn the id o

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Günter, At 09:56 2003-04-01, you wrote: I missed out on that.. What does sp3 for win2k do? It opens a back door for MS snooping. DRM indeed! Btw. I only use amd cpu's. To my understanding they don't have the cpu id (I don't trust a software that allows me to turn the id of because obviously soft

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emulate this functionality/behavior I see hope on the horizon. If, lastly Office 11 would not be backwards compatible with their previous documents, I see the sun rise! guenter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randall R Schulz Sent: Tues

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Chris, At 09:19 2003-04-01, you wrote: On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. >>You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. >> >>Sorry. > >Yes

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > > >I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. > > >You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. >

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > >At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >>I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. > >>You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this mo

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: > At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. > >You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. > > > >Sorry. > > Yes, master. How shall I punish myse

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Randall R Schulz wrote: > Chris, > > At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. > >You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. > > Maybe a gold star would help persuade me to stay... > > >Sorr

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 09:05:51AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. >>You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. >> >>Sorry. > >Yes, master. How shall I punish myself? Ju

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Chris, At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: I don't recall giving you my permission to move to Linux, Randall. You're too valuable to the cygwin community for me to allow this move. Maybe a gold star would help persuade me to stay... Sorry. cgf Randy (there he is again) -- Unsubscribe info:

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Herr Doktor Faylor, At 08:38 2003-04-01, you wrote: On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:24:15AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >Thorsten, > >At 07:50 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>* Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 17:29 +0100) >>> At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > X

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* Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 18:24 +0100) > At 07:50 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>* Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 17:29 +0100) >>> At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > XP is the first rocksolid Windows OS. ... with completely unrealistic licensing

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:24:15AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: >Thorsten, > >At 07:50 2003-04-01, you wrote: >>* Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 17:29 +0100) >>> At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > XP is the first rocksolid Windows OS. ... wi

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> OH. MY. GOD. > > I installed SP3 on my Win2K. Ignorance is NOT bliss. > > I guess it really is time to move to Linux. > > > > Randall Schulz > Any comments on whether a firewall helps? I don't use office, just Win2K (and even then, mostly on cygwin). I recall a time Kerio and ZoneAlarm kept as

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Thorsten, At 07:50 2003-04-01, you wrote: * Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 17:29 +0100) > At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: >>> XP is the first rocksolid Windows OS. >> >> ... with completely unrealistic licensing (see the last paragraph of >>

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Martin, I'm not sure I get your drift. I do mostly Java myself, but on every system except MacOS one must install the Java SDK or runtime separately. I doubt Sun likes that state of affairs and as a Java developer, neither do I, but it's how things are right now. Microsoft dispensed with Java

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* Randall R Schulz (03-04-01 17:29 +0100) > At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: >>> XP is the first rocksolid Windows OS. >> >> ... with completely unrealistic licensing (see the last paragraph of >> ). > >

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if XP is such a good OS why did they strip out the JVM? Some of us prefer writing component based Java over heavy and slow monolithic Visual Basic apps. I would purchase XP except I want to Manage my registry instead of Microsoft 'Nuf Said Martin - Original Message - From: "Randall R Schulz

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Randall R Schulz wrote: > At 07:14 2003-04-01, you wrote: > >On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > XP is the first rocksolid Windows OS. > > > [snip] > > > Thorsten > > > >... with completely unrealistic licensing (see the last paragraph of > >