Re: Apologies

2006-05-26 Thread Tim Kientzle
Mark Linimon wrote: if I can suggest a file kind of like UPDATING which is a list of subsystems that are believed to be broken/experimental, with a column for expiration date, that might be enough. CHOPPING_BLOCK ? ___ cvs-all@freebsd.org mailing l

Re: Apologies

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Linimon
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 09:19:20PM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: phk: > > "Fix PCVT to be SMP locked, do the right things with TTYs, > > work with whatever is the state of the art in keyboards. > > And do so before August 1st OR ELSE". > > > >Now, in your own mind, think for a moment what

HEADS UP! [Re: Apologies]

2006-05-22 Thread Scott Long
aintain pcvt. I'm just surprised at the apparent haste with which it was dispatched. If I missed an earlier headsup, my apologies. HEADS UP: Assume that any kernel code that is not compiled by default in GENERIC + modules, and has not had a commit in 3 years, is fair game for review and

Re: Apologies

2006-05-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
tain pcvt. I'm just surprised at the apparent haste with which it was dispatched. If I missed an earlier headsup, my apologies. -- Peter Jeremy ___ cvs-all@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-all To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: Apologies

2006-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Jeremy writes: >I totally agree. My concern is the (apparent) lack of a formal process. Blunt speaking time: The reason why we don't have a more formal process is that whenever we try that, it does not work. The main reason it does not work is that wheneve

Re: Apologies

2006-05-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sun, 2006-May-21 18:27:31 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we >> have with product management. These problems remain. I suspect that the e-mail grog is apologising for should have been on a private mailing list rather than a public

Re: Product management (was: Apologies

2006-05-21 Thread Scott Long
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Monday, 22 May 2006 at 0:35:18 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formal

Product management (was: Apologies)

2006-05-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 21 May 2006 at 18:27:31 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we >> have with product management. These problems remain. > > The pcvt removal has been long planned. It's the first I've heard of it. Maybe we should have an "axe

Re: Apologies

2006-05-21 Thread Warner Losh
> my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we > have with product management. These problems remain. The pcvt removal has been long planned. I don't see how it points out a problem in the project. The software didn't keep pace with the development of the system, and th

Re: Product management (was: Apologies (was: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 ObsoleteFiles.inc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/pi

2006-05-21 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:07:49AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > On Monday, 22 May 2006 at 0:35:18 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > >> A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the > >> message I sent r

Product management (was: Apologies (was: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 ObsoleteFiles.inc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/picobs

2006-05-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 22 May 2006 at 0:35:18 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. >> A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the >> message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formally >> apologize to phk and

Re: Apologies (was: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 ObsoleteFiles.inc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/picobsd/build picobsd src/s

2006-05-21 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the > message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formally > apologize to phk and anybody else who might feel offended. It wasn't > my intention t

Apologies (was: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 ObsoleteFiles.inc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/picobsd/build picobsd src/share

2006-05-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formally apologize to phk and anybody else who might feel offended. It wasn't my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we have with product mana