On 2009/03/17 11:19 (GMT+1300) Richard Mason composed:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Cheryl D Wise wrote
>> However, Firefox does
>>not recognize the 120dpi or whatever other settings you choose in your OS
>>and will continue to display it as the browser's default point size.
> Firefox's default font s
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Cheryl D Wise wrote
> However, Firefox does
>not recognize the 120dpi or whatever other settings you choose in your OS
>and will continue to display it as the browser's default point size.
Firefox's default font size is in pixels, not points, so conversion from
points to pix
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:19:42 -0400
Came this utterance formulated by Felix Miata to my mailbox:
> On 2009/03/16 14:41 (GMT+0900) Philippe Wittenbergh composed:
>
> > Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> I haven't figured out where Vrinda came from, other than it's a M$
> >font> NAICT originally from mid-20
-Original Message-
From: Felix Miata
>> why not just set the font size to 10pt?
>4-IE's text sizer has no effect on pt (or px) sized text.
Having used a very high resolution to physical size Windows tablet PC for
years I know that if you use points on a Windows computer IE will size a
2009/3/15 Michael Adams :
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
> Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox:
>
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>> > Michael Stevens wrote:
>> >
>> >> Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
>> >maybe a> couple times a month. And I've ne
2009/3/13 Michael Stevens :
> -Original Message-
> From: Jukka K. Korpela [mailto:jkorp...@cs.tut.fi]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:23 PM
> To: CSS discuss
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma
>
> Leave aside the font-size, as a CSS property, or as a prope
On 2009/03/16 14:41 (GMT+0900) Philippe Wittenbergh composed:
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> I haven't figured out where Vrinda came from, other than it's a M$ font
>> NAICT originally from mid-2004.
> Vrinda is part of a default install of Windows XP (I wouldn't know how it
> got installed on my VM's
On 2009/03/15 10:27 (GMT-0400) Tim Climis composed:
> It seems that this whole font sizing mess boils down to the fact that "pixel"
> is not a standardized unit of measure. one pixel on my monitor is a
> different
> size from one pixel on your monitor.
Exactly the reason it's best to size not
On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop
>> publishing,
>> graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had
>> either
>> Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That
>> spans
>> ever
On 2009/03/14 18:42 (GMT-1000) david composed:
> Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop publishing,
> graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had either
> Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That spans
> every version of Windo
Tim Climis wrote:
> Most graphic arts programs have the ability to guess the size of a pixel on
> your monitor, presumably from your drivers or some setting in your OS or
> something, so it seems that web browsers must be able to do that same thing.
> So it stands to reason that if you want yo
On 2009/03/15 17:14 (GMT-0400) Bob Rosenberg composed:
> There is also the problem that the character height on a site
> designed on a Windows Machine makes the characters look smaller on a
> Macintosh Computer (to get the same image size on the Mac you must
> bump the size up one notch). This
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Tim Climis wrote
>I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the right way to
>do it, and stopped, but I've never been able to figure out why it's wrong in
>the first place.
>
One reason is that points are inches and some people who write about
these topics
At 16:59 +0100 on 03/15/2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= wrote
about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma:
>6: if a printed work has too small text, the end-user can either use a
>magnifying glass or throw the entire work into the fireplace.
Or just buy the book (or get it from your
At 21:26 -0400 on 03/14/2009, Felix Miata wrote about Re: [css-d]
Font size dilemma:
>It's also possible for fonts to show up at the preferred size, regardless how
>large or small that happens to be. It's also possible that the difficulties
>resulting from common too small fo
At 11:01 + on 03/13/2009, Bobby Jack wrote about Re: [css-d] Font
size dilemma:
>Having said all that, I don't think we need to be too dogmatic about
>it. Web pages are NOT the same as books - I believe there should be
>more of a visual identity to a site than just a logo a
Tim Climis wrote:
> I have a related question, because when I first took up CSS in my
> designs in 2002 or so, I used to size my fonts in points. That was
> what word processing programs did it in, so that was how I did it.
>
> I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the
>
> I would imagine setting a browser minimum font size to bring (say)
> cnn.com back to 100% font size equivalent would have no effect on a
> site set to 100% font size; very little effect on one set to say 85%;
> but running the browser in some zoom mode to get cnn to 100% equiv
> would blow our
david wrote:
> I don't expect Office 2007 use to establish itself, but that's just
> my opinion.
May well be right. For instance: OpenOffice is officially recommended as
alternative to / upgrade-replacement for MS Office(s) and other
proprietary "office software" in my country.
The bottom line
Michael Adams wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
> Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox:
>
>> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>> Michael Stevens wrote:
>>>
Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
>>> maybe a> couple times a month. And I've never hea
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000
Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox:
> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> > Michael Stevens wrote:
> >
> >> Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it
> >maybe a> couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
> >
> > I pic
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>
>> Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a
>> couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
>
> I picked up Vrinda after considering the material at
> http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-Windo
On 2009/03/14 21:55 (GMT+0200) Jukka K. Korpela composed:
> But what's the point of suggesting generic font families only?
Allowing a user to actually see his preferred font family used on a web page
not of his own making?
> Well, maybe
> it makes popular browsers use Arial instead of Times New
On 2009/03/15 11:55 (GMT+1100) Kathy Wheeler composed:
> What I *am* saying is:
> 1. that is what Joe Average user is used to seeing;
Not related to liking.
> 2. those who have difficulty with those sizes will have already
> compensated for it in some way or another;
Compensation methods
On 13/03/2009, at 9:12 PM, david wrote:
> And who says that CNN or any other particular site is doing it
> "right"?
I'm not saying they are "doing it right", personally I think it's too
small.
What I *am* saying is:
1. that is what Joe Average user is used to seeing;
2. those who have diffic
Michael Stevens wrote:
> Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a
> couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda.
I picked up Vrinda after considering the material at
http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-WindowsResults.shtml
and noticing that Vr
-Original Message-
From: Jukka K. Korpela [mailto:jkorp...@cs.tut.fi]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:23 PM
To: CSS discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma
Leave aside the font-size, as a CSS property, or as a propery of a font, for
a moment. What those people want is not small
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
> Rather than blindly (bad term, I know) accepting the 100% font size,
> wouldn't a better approach be to settle on a font-size that doesn't
> make a client's site look like a kindergarten reader
I'm not sure why one's page should not be better than the crowd in
legibility.
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Kathy Wheeler wrote:
> Looking at major general news sites, popular public
> blogging etc
> sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This
> being the
> case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise
> perfectly
> normal individuals frequenting po
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
> I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
>
> Looking at major general news sites, popular public blogging etc
> sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This being the
> case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise pe
- Original Message -
From: "Kathy Wheeler"
To: "CSS discuss"
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: [css-d] Font size dilemma
>I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
Stet
> Looking at major general news sites, p
Kathy Wheeler wrote:
> I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
>
>
> KathyW.
>
I guess there is a CSS question, rather than a difference of opinion,
buried in your post. What is it?
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Kathy Wheeler wrote:
> Rather than blindly (bad term, I know) accepting the 100% font size,
> wouldn't a better approach be to settle on a font-size that doesn't
> make a client's site look like a kindergarten reader (compared to
> major news sites for eg) and just make sure it doesn't break un
I know the mantra: let the user decide, set font-size to 100% but ...
Looking at major general news sites, popular public blogging etc
sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This being the
case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise perfectly
normal individuals fr
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