[css-d] what DOM inspector tool can I get?

2005-10-14 Thread Adam Helweh
I could have sworn Fire Fox had one. Can anone point me to a reliable DOM inspector tool I could use? Thanks Adam __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-dis

Re: [css-d] one template to rule them all

2005-10-14 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Flii wrote: > I have been given the task of creating a generic web site for our > customers, and have been researching and experimenting with many of > the layouts listed in the wiki and elsewhere on the web. The biggest > problem I face is that one layout example using 3 columns will not > need t

Re: [css-d] Site Check please - MLPforMen

2005-10-14 Thread David Laakso
RKN Studio wrote: Just getting ready to launch a new line for the customer. The mail for isn't working here - but I know that works. http://www.rknstudio.com/sites/mlpformen/home.html Mac users input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ron www.rknstudio.com A few Mac screen captures:

Re: [css-d] one template to rule them all

2005-10-14 Thread Dave Gregory
Well.. I dont have all the styles you require, but I took the Skidoo layout and set it up so that there are several options. 3col w/topnav 2col w/topnav 1col w/topnav all of the above without a topnav. I have only included some of the options in the page below, but you can see that it is on

Re: [css-d] one template to rule them all

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Montoya
This is totally possible, using a combination of floats and absolute position for the various divs. You could even do it without any wrapper divs, just the five divs in the pictures. The layout wouldn't be entirely robust, as there would be a few constraints on some of the divs, but it would defini

[css-d] Site Check please - MLPforMen

2005-10-14 Thread RKN Studio
Just getting ready to launch a new line for the customer. The mail for isn't working here - but I know that works. http://www.rknstudio.com/sites/mlpformen/home.html Mac users input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ron www.rknstudio.com ___

Re: [css-d] one template to rule them all

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Heilmann
> My question to this list is: Is it possible to have one html file, and style > these pages this way with only CSS? If so, are there examples or advice? > Preferably I'd like the option for the footer to stay at the bottom of the > viewport or content (whichever is longer) because I'm sure so

Re: [css-d] Why is h2 rule needed?

2005-10-14 Thread Arlen Walker
On Oct 14, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Arlen Walker wrote: Love to have someone explain why sometime,... FWIW: it's not a browser-bug. It's a part of the W3C CSS2 standard, that often results in 'complete nonsense'! Hm

[css-d] one template to rule them all

2005-10-14 Thread Flii
I have been given the task of creating a generic web site for our customers, and have been researching and experimenting with many of the layouts listed in the wiki and elsewhere on the web. The biggest problem I face is that one layout example using 3 columns will not need the same html markup

[css-d] Is Z reliable?

2005-10-14 Thread C T
In my menubar, I have tabs that have the appearance of overlapping. And so I'm tempted to use the "Z-factor" (along with careful x- and y- positioning) to get them to overlap in proper order. My question is: Is using the z property HIGHLY RELIABLE? Can it be expected to render items in the proper

Re: [css-d] Hover in a list menu

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Montoya
I think you have a typo: #lmenu dt a { color: #FFF; } #menu dt a:hover { background: #9CF; text-decoration: none; } should be #lmenu dt a:hover { ... } see the letter L? -- - C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com _

[css-d] Netscape 6 issues expert guidance needed.

2005-10-14 Thread Tony Crockford
Hi all, it's been a long time since I posted, but this one has me stumped. I've been building some complicated pages for an interesting (random layout CMS driven) design and all is good in most modern browsers. Netscape 6 makes a real mess of the layout... just sticking a whole load of div

Re: [css-d] Why is h2 rule needed?

2005-10-14 Thread Ben Henick
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Akins, Chris wrote: > www.springfieldmogov.org/elections/details.html > www.springfieldmogov.org/elections/details_noh2.html > The relevant CSS is: > > #overview { > margin: 0 0 0 250px; > background: #fff url(images/bgnd_s.jpg) top left repeat-y; > } > > #overview p,

Re: [css-d] Ensure no wrap for div content?

2005-10-14 Thread Paul Gaudet
Sweet!Thanks for the help Georg! On Oct 13, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Paul Gaudet wrote: is there a way to stop the image on the right from wrapping down when the browser window is resized smaller in the following link http://www.rollandburn.com/css-d/nsep/index.p

Re: [css-d] Why is h2 rule needed?

2005-10-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Arlen Walker wrote: Love to have someone explain why sometime,... ... ... I suspect if one pixel breaks the design, it's going to be broken on a lot more browsers and systems than just the ones with this bug. I agree completely that a design that gets broken by a 1px offset, is probably

Re: [css-d] What is DOM good for?

2005-10-14 Thread Ben Henick
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have head alot about DOM and DOM inspectors. I have also played > around with Fire Fox and looked throughout the DOM interface, but I am > still not qute sure of the benefit of it and if it has anything to do > with CSS although I can see the sru

Re: [css-d] What is DOM good for?

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Heilmann
> I have head alot about DOM and DOM inspectors. I have also played > around with Fire Fox and looked throughout the DOM interface, but I am > still not qute sure of the benefit of it and if it has anything to do > with CSS although I can see the sructuring of it. > > Can anyone point me in the rig

Re: [css-d] What is DOM good for?

2005-10-14 Thread Arlen Walker
On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have head alot about DOM and DOM inspectors. I have also played around with Fire Fox and looked throughout the DOM interface, but I am still not qute sure of the benefit of it and if it has anything to do with CSS although I can see

Re: [css-d] Why is h2 rule needed?

2005-10-14 Thread Arlen Walker
On Oct 14, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Akins, Chris wrote: The first page looks the way I want, but I don't understand the WHY behind my CSS. I figured it out by just playing with padding and margins on the #overview h2 tag, but have no idea WHY I need the h2 rule there. It's even freakier. Follo

Re: [css-d] CSS dropdown issue ... pushing content down on page ...

2005-10-14 Thread Bill Gates
On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:44 PM, trose wrote: just as a followup, absolutely positioning the list works, but now the hover is acting odd. check it out: In what way, and in what browser? It seemed fine in IE, Safari, FF and Opera, on OSX.

[css-d] What is DOM good for?

2005-10-14 Thread fokuss
I have head alot about DOM and DOM inspectors. I have also played around with Fire Fox and looked throughout the DOM interface, but I am still not qute sure of the benefit of it and if it has anything to do with CSS although I can see the sructuring of it. Can anyone point me in the right dire

[css-d] Inconsistent flost behavior

2005-10-14 Thread Tanya Renne
I have a 3-col layout and the third column sometimes behave by coming up even with the other two columns and sometimes falls down the page. For example in Firefox/PC the page often opens with only two columns in view - refresh and the third column will come up to join the other two. This happe

Re: [css-d] Browser specific CSS

2005-10-14 Thread Arlen Walker
On Oct 14, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Gregory wrote: I thought the recent IEBlog announcing "the end" of CSS hacks just as I was applying the finishing touches to the script a little freaky. Read it, didn't think much of it. As long as IE refuses to support standards, hacks will be needed.

Re: [css-d] I've inherited a giant style sheet

2005-10-14 Thread Arlen Walker
On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Christopher Brown wrote: I'd like a second opinion on this -- the style sheet is 89KB. Is that overly large? Is there a way to tell how long it takes to load? Lots of ways to guess. And yes, it's quite large. I believe I can break it into (more or less) 10KB ch

[css-d] Why is h2 rule needed?

2005-10-14 Thread Akins, Chris
The following two links show the differences I'm trying to understand: www.springfieldmogov.org/elections/details.html www.springfieldmogov.org/elections/details_noh2.html The first page looks the way I want, but I don't understand the WHY behind my CSS. I figured it out by just playing with pad

Re: [css-d] CSS dropdown issue ... pushing content down on page ...

2005-10-14 Thread trose
just as a followup, absolutely positioning the list works, but now the hover is acting odd. check it out: --- diego nunes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "position: absolute;"? ;) > > On 14/10/05, trose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetin

[css-d] Full page height

2005-10-14 Thread Kenny
I have a page that has a banner at the top (about 100px) and a conetents box below with diffrent elements in it. I need a way to have the contents strech to full up the page and when the user re-sizes there browser the contents re-size. I don't want to it to be a certain percentage of the page, I w

Re: [css-d] CSS dropdown issue ... pushing content down on page ...

2005-10-14 Thread diego nunes
"position: absolute;"? ;) On 14/10/05, trose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings. I'm hoping someone will be able to help me > with a CSS dropdown nav issue that has been bothering > me. I'm using a list-based dropdown navigation (that > I discovered on A List Apart). It's pretty much two >

[css-d] Browser specific CSS

2005-10-14 Thread Andrew Gregory
Hi all, I'd just like to share a Perl script I've just spent the last week or so developing and tweaking. It's designed to filter style sheets and allow specific CSS properties to be applied to specific browsers (yep, server-side user agent sniffing). If your web server supports it, it's

[css-d] Hover in a list menu

2005-10-14 Thread emo
Hi all, I've got a site currently being tweaked at http://mambo.afterglowdesign.co.uk, and its one of the first time's I've used a lot of CSS to control look and feel. I'd like the blue parts of the menu to rollover with a lighter blue, much in the same way the yellow parts rollover. The whole t

[css-d] CSS dropdown issue ... pushing content down on page ...

2005-10-14 Thread trose
Greetings. I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with a CSS dropdown nav issue that has been bothering me. I'm using a list-based dropdown navigation (that I discovered on A List Apart). It's pretty much two unordered lists. The parent displays the nav items, the child displays sublinks on

Re: [css-d] I've inherited a giant style sheet

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Montoya
Sounds like this stylesheet has been modified by multiple people, and probably has a lot of things repeated. Breaking it into 3, and maybe into 3 such as: layout, typography, graphics; would really make maintaining the stylesheets much easier in the future, and probably prevent this from happening

Re[2]: [css-d] Wait...fragment links DO work withing scrolling elements?

2005-10-14 Thread Steve Clay
Friday, October 14, 2005, 5:35:39 AM, Bill Gates wrote: > Doesn't work in Safari, Omniweb and IE for OSX. I didn't bother trying > iCab. It appears to work in FF and Opera... Works in IE/win as well, but yeah, not good enough. Apparently the answer to my question in the subject header is "no".

RE: [css-d] I've inherited a giant style sheet

2005-10-14 Thread Shane Porter
Hi there, > I'd like a second opinion on this -- the style sheet is 89KB. Is that > overly large? Is there a way to tell how long it takes to load? > 89k is by far the largest style sheet I've come across. I've often managed to reduce the size of mine by thinking more about the markup. Things

Re: [css-d] Bug or standards compliant? Applied margins to an inner div

2005-10-14 Thread Sascha Ebach
Hi Chris, Well that certainly makes sense. The box model problems with IE is certainly a good reason not to use padding. But that's only padding on the left and right. What if you used padding on the top and bottom of the outer div and then right/left margins on the inner div? Your problem i

Re: [css-d] Bug or standards compliant? Applied margins to an inner div cause outer div to weirdly collapse if it has no borders.

2005-10-14 Thread Sascha Ebach
Hi Chris (cc to list), > As those links can show, this is certainly standards-compliant > behavior. What I'm not sure about is why you don't want to use > padding on the outer div. It's the obvious (and appropriate) > solution. > > I'm sure the designs you are working on are more complicated tha

[css-d] RE: css-d Digest, Vol 35, Issue 20

2005-10-14 Thread Christopher Brown
Hi -- I'd like a second opinion on this -- the style sheet is 89KB. Is that overly large? Is there a way to tell how long it takes to load? I believe I can break it into (more or less) 10KB chunks, with the idea that it's quicker to load three 10KB cascading sheets than one 89KB sheet. Does th

[css-d] IE6 no change in text with a:hover

2005-10-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Charles, This (note the space between the li and the colon - without the space, it just doesn't work at my end) #header li :first-letter is equal to *#header li *:first-letter Ask the oracle: http://penguin.theopalgroup.com/cgi-bin/css3explainer/selectoracle.py "Selects the first letter

[css-d] I've inherited a giant style sheet

2005-10-14 Thread Christopher Brown
Hi -- I'd like a second opinion on this -- the style sheet is 89KB. Is that overly large? Is there a way to tell how long it takes to load? I believe I can break it into (more or less) 10KB chunks, with the idea that it's quicker to load three 10KB cascading sheets than one 89KB sheet. Does th

RE: [css-d] IE6 no change in text with a:hover

2005-10-14 Thread Charles Dort
MANY thanks to Ingo Chao and Peter Williams for their very helpful posts! I tried what you recommended, and the different methods all worked. I have a further question for Ingo, if I may. You said, in part, You could try to transform this rule A into something which does basically th

Re: [css-d] drop shadows

2005-10-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nancy Smith wrote: Can anyone tell me how to add drop shadows to a div? I am doing my first site in CSS, so if it is too complicated, I will just pass. Not complicated at all, but require some extra wrapper-element(s). ...shows one method. Pl

[css-d] IE6 no change in text with a:hover

2005-10-14 Thread Ingo Chao
http://tinyurl.com/8a4au Charles, you are trying to combine a pseudo-element with a pseudo-class on the links in your nav list: Home Who We Are ... #header a:first-letter { color: red; } /* A */ #header a:hover { color: red; } /* B */ which is not possibl

Re: [css-d] Cached CSS

2005-10-14 Thread Sam Partington
> One of the problems we get is release major updates to our new > website (once every 3 months), recent visitors who come back to the > website use their disk-cached css file and only after a reload does > the page in order to cache the new css file. Hi, I've come across this problem from time t

[css-d] Re: A cross browser problem CRACKED

2005-10-14 Thread peter newton
Hello All, test page: http://devnz.scripterz.org/test2.html css file: http://devnz.scripterz.org/test2.css Well I've finally cracked my cross browser problem for this website layout. at least with:- Opera (8.5) Firefox (1.0.7) & Netscape(6) IE 6 I've put the css code into the nav bar, I

Re: [css-d] Wait...fragment links DO work withing scrolling elements?

2005-10-14 Thread Bill Gates
Doesn't work in Safari, Omniweb and IE for OSX. I didn't bother trying iCab. It appears to work in FF and Opera, though the scrollbars take away most of the elegance. On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Steve Clay wrote: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/linksub.html As usual I'm just blown away by

[css-d] Cached CSS

2005-10-14 Thread Conrad Chu
Hi folks, I was wondering if you had advice on using CSS and HTTP headers for cache-control. I found an article: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/458.htm One of the problems we get is release major updates to our new website (once every 3 months), recent visitors who come back to the