Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-23 Thread Jaap-Henk Hoepman
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:41:52 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I will make a partial rebuttal to John Gilmore's article on the problems > with content protection schemes. > > [..snip..] > > I understand that John and others worry that consumers will not actually > be able to make choices and deci

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-22 Thread Carl Ellison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 05:29 AM 1/22/01 GMT, David Wagner wrote: >Free markets may be the best hope we've got (or they may not), but >in any case, wouldn't it be fair to say that reliance on free markets >to eliminate content protection is a little risky? [...] >Now su

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-21 Thread David Wagner
Hal Finney writes: >But when we deal with content protection which is provided on a >competitive basis in the marketplace, it is another matter. In that >case it is ultimately a question of satisfying the desires of the consumer >which determines which products will succeed. [...] > >I understand

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-21 Thread John Brothers
Excellent essay. I feel smarter for having read it. I would say that I think that there are some breaks in the clouds you describe so well. 1) If most of these copy-protection schemes are schemes, and not laws, then the free market will route around them (The free market is about as adaptable

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-21 Thread hal
I will make a partial rebuttal to John Gilmore's article on the problems with content protection schemes. I distinguish between schemes which are enforced by legislation such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), versus schemes which rely on technological means and market competition to

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-19 Thread Ben Laurie
John Gilmore wrote: > Few or no manufacturers are willing to put ordinary > digital audio recorders on the market -- you see lots of MP3 *players* > but where are the stereo MP3 *recorders*? They've been chilled into > nonexistence by the threat of lawsuits. The ones that claim to > record, reco

What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-19 Thread John Gilmore
Ron Rivest asked me: > I think it would be illuminating to hear your views on the > differences between the Intel/IBM content-protection proposals > and existing practices for content protection in the TV > scrambling domain. The devil's advocate position against your > position would be: if the

Re: What's Wrong With Content Protection

2001-01-19 Thread Ron Rivest
John -- Great essay... thanks for replying at such length! I'm going to decline your (perhaps rhetorical) invitation to provide a devils-advocate counter-argument, because I'm not the right person to do so; I am far too liberal in my own views to be a fair representative of the "dark side". In