Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-15 Thread John Young
I believe the main reason Peter Wright wanted unconventional snooping devices was to avoid detection by sweepers who regularly checked for the usual, known devices. Intercepting signals from radiated objects was one of those methods for it avoided having to plant a device within the targeted s

RE: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-15 Thread Trei, Peter
1 4:37 PM > To: John Young > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Young wrote: > > >Wright also describes the use of supersensitive microphones > >to pick up the daily setting of rotors on cryptoma

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-14 Thread Andrew Cooke
> [A quick contemplation of the wavelength of the sounds in question > would put an end to that speculation I suspect. --Perry] I know this has been somewhat done to death, but there's a nice comparison: GPS positioning using carrier phase tracking is equivalent (well, it's reversed - clicks com

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-14 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
One interesting question is exactly how strong radio frequency illumination could cause compromise of information being processed by electronic equipment. I have an idea for a mechanism whereby such illumination could induce generation of harmonic and beat frequencies that are modulated by int

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-14 Thread Dave Emery
On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 12:11:13PM -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote: > > > We hear low-frequency sounds when we type. But have we ever checked > for high-frequency sounds outside of human hearing range? I'd bet > a keyboard has a number of squeaks and ticks and twangs up there. > I'd also bet tha

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread Ray Dillinger
>Ray Dillinger wrote: >> >> If you get two sensitive microphones in a room, you >> should be able to do interferometry to get the exact locations >> on a keyboard of keystrokes from the sound of someone typing. >> I guess three would be better, but with some reasonable >> assumptions about key

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread Pat Farrell
At 01:30 AM 1/13/2001 +, Ben Laurie wrote: >Hmm. 6 kHz has a wavelength of 5 cm. I would guess you can easily get >resolution to 1/10 of a wavelength under ideal conditions. Which is .5 >cm, which is half the size of a key, more or less. You don't have to locate the exact key to save a lot of

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread David Wagner
In a paper on side channel cryptanalysis by John Kelsey, Bruce Schneier, Chris Hall, and I, we speculated on possible meanings of NONSTOP and HIJACK: [...] It is our belief that most operational cryptanalysis makes use of side-channel information. [...] And Peter Wright discussed data

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread Ben Laurie
Ray Dillinger wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Young wrote: > > >Wright also describes the use of supersensitive microphones > >to pick up the daily setting of rotors on cryptomachines of the > >time, in particular the Hagelins made by CryptoAG. > > Hmmm. That sounds like a trick that coul

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread eli+
Ray Dillinger wrote: > If you get two sensitive microphones in a room, you > should be able to do interferometry to get the exact locations > on a keyboard of keystrokes from the sound of someone typing. Interesting. Probably not the easiest way to snoop, but you might be driven to it. > I

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread David Honig
At 01:37 PM 1/12/01 -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote: >Hmmm. That sounds like a trick that could be brought up to >date. If you get two sensitive microphones in a room, you >[A quick contemplation of the wavelength of the sounds in question >would put an end to that speculation I suspect. --Perry]

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-13 Thread John Young
Joel McNamara first told me about NONSTOP and its commonly associated classified codeword, HIJACK, both somehow related to Tempest. When you do a search on either of them you get hundreds (or 1000s) of hits for the generic terms "non-stop" and "hi-jack" but few entries for the codewords, and t

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-12 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Young wrote: >Wright also describes the use of supersensitive microphones >to pick up the daily setting of rotors on cryptomachines of the >time, in particular the Hagelins made by CryptoAG. Hmmm. That sounds like a trick that could be brought up to date. If you g

Re: NONSTOP Crypto Query

2001-01-12 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Young write s: > >This loops back to NONSTOP and the question of what may >be the signatures and compromising emanations of today's >cryptosystems which reveal information in ways that go beyond >known sniffers -- indeed, that known sniffers may divertingly