Tipster voluntary payment protocol

2000-09-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-28 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:21 AM -0400 8/26/2000, Jeff Kandt wrote: >On or about 11:52 AM -0400 8/24/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >>>The design goals: http://tipster.weblogs.com/designgoals >>>The crypto protocol: http://tipster.weblogs.com/tipsterblock/ >>> >>>Both of these are open to debate. >>> >> >>First let m

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-26 Thread Jeff Kandt
On or about 11:52 AM -0400 8/24/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >>The design goals: http://tipster.weblogs.com/designgoals >>The crypto protocol: http://tipster.weblogs.com/tipsterblock/ >> >>Both of these are open to debate. >> > >First let me say something positive. I like your design goals. The

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-24 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:50 PM -0400 8/23/2000, Jeff Kandt wrote: >On or about 12:49 PM -0400 8/23/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >>Certificate revocation is one of the thorniest issues in public key >>cryptography. Maybe you can solve it in this narrow context, but I >>would avoid it if there is another way and I

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-24 Thread Paul Crowley
"Fred Hapgood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Stick *what* into a standard contract? What would that provision > look like? "Artist agrees not to accept gifts from fans?" "Artist > agrees not to possess or publicize public key or digital signature?" "Artist shall not in any way participate i

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-23 Thread Ravensara Siobhan Travillian
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Fred Hapgood wrote: > Stick *what* into a standard contract? What would that provision > look like? "Artist agrees not to accept gifts from fans?" "Artist > agrees not to possess or publicize public key or digital signature?" > > I don't think so. The RIAA is unhinge

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-23 Thread Fred Hapgood
> Actually, This is an interesting point legally. The artist > certifying a payment server with an unforgeable digital signature is > an act that can be pointed to in court. It's a signature on a kind of > contract, and the extant recording industry can claim it's a contract > that the arti

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-23 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >At 8:28 PM -0400 8/17/2000, Jeff Kandt wrote: >>It won't be long before music will come straight from the artist in >>a compressed, net-friendly form. If it's the artists creating the >>file, then they'd might as well stamp their contact inf

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-23 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 10:59 PM -0400 8/20/2000, Jeff Kandt wrote: >... >Tipster allows the artist to revoke any given key with a revokation >certificate. By allowing the artist to encode multiple >URL/signature pairs onto the file, they can set up multiple, >redundant revenue streams, and you encourage competiti

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-20 Thread Jeff Kandt
On or about 7:03 AM -0400 8/18/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >I agree that making it easy is essential. But I still do not think >attaching all the info to the content is needed to make things easy. >First of all, there is no need to have the servers' keys attached. There are no keys attached

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-18 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 8:28 PM -0400 8/17/2000, Jeff Kandt wrote: >On or about 12:57 PM -0400 8/17/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >>I think a voluntary payment system is a fine idea, but I am not >>sure that your proposal address the right issues. If I understand >>what you are proposing correctly, your scheme allow

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-18 Thread Jeff Kandt
On or about 12:57 PM -0400 8/17/00, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: >I think a voluntary payment system is a fine idea, but I am not sure >that your proposal address the right issues. If I understand what >you are proposing correctly, your scheme allows a CD buyer to verify >that a particular payment

Re: "Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-18 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
Jeff, I think a voluntary payment system is a fine idea, but I am not sure that your proposal address the right issues. If I understand what you are proposing correctly, your scheme allows a CD buyer to verify that a particular payment server is authorized by the recording artist to collect p

"Tipster" voluntary payment protocol

2000-08-17 Thread Jeff Kandt
"Tipster" is the name I'm using for the voluntary payment scheme I posted to the coderpunks and cypherpunks lists (among others) a few weeks ago under the title "Kill the RIAA: a protocol." http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.07.24-2000.07.30/msg00387.html Since that post, I've set up