Although Tei and Aoba Professionals explained the match at the
front stage with a projection, the game was so complicated that I
couldn't see which is winning until near the end. Another semi-final
match, my Fudo Go vs Katsunari, also was shown on the screen but in a
small picture at upper right
David Fotland wrote:
Congratulations to Remi for Crazystone's second UEC cup victory, and solid
win over a professional.
David
Thank you David.
For some reason, games between Crazy Stone and MFG are always
complicated and exciting. I watched a few when we were playing on CGOS,
and they we
The machine was provided by the organizers. All I know is that it was 8
core.
David
> -Original Message-
> From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-
> boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Rémi Coulom
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:14 AM
> To: computer-go
> S
Darren Cook wrote:
Are we talking about different things? All I meant to say was that I
thought in Japanese professional ranks that one rank is worth a third of
a handicap stone. So when there are 6 ranks difference then two handicap
stones should give an even game.
Yes, we're talking about the
Nick Wedd wrote:
So what _is_ reality nowadays? Your previous email did not make this
clear. Are Japanese pro grades now closer together than a third of a
stone, or farther apart?
The reality is that the correlation between ranks and playing strengths
is very low, and that knowing that play
In message <49494ba4.7070...@mgoetze.net>, Michael Goetze
writes
Darren Cook wrote:
Are we talking about different things? All I meant to say was that I
thought in Japanese professional ranks that one rank is worth a third of
a handicap stone. So when there are 6 ranks difference then two handi
What you are saying is that many professionals are overrated or underrated
(sometimes by as much as two stones). The same goes for amateur ranks too.
So a rank estimate from a series of 7 stone games against a 4p will still have
a error margin of one or perhaps two stones.
I agree with that.
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I think a 7 stone handicap against a 4p would be normal for an EGF 1d, not for
a japanese 1d.
A japanese 1d is about 3k EGF. He would require more than 9 stones.
Dave
Van: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org namens Darren Cook
Verzonden: wo 17-12-2008 2:48
Aa
When the japanese audience stated that CrazyStone was playing like a 4d or 5d
they were talking about japanese ranks.
This suggests that it played like a 1d EGF or 2d EGF according to the audience.
Dave
Van: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org namens dave.de...
One of my customers tried a tournament between Many Faces and Go++ 7.0, one
of the strongest traditional programs.
He says:
Good news first: after 30 games MFGo12 (32min) vs. Go++7.0 (level 5)
your program showed to be much stronger even on my slow PC - result so far
would be 22 - 8 !
David
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dave.de...@planet.nl wrote:
What you are saying is that many professionals are overrated or
underrated (sometimes by as much as two stones).
No, what I'm saying is that professional ranking systems are not meant
to be rating systems and should not be treated as if they were rating
systems. (A
I put some photos.
http://yssaya.web.fc2.com/photo/uec2008/uec2008.html
Kato's eight PlayStation 3 was impressive.
http://yssaya.web.fc2.com/photo/uec2008/1213/Htmls/PICT2802.html
Hiroshi Yamashita
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jonas.k...@math.u-psud.fr wrote:
Although Tei and Aoba Professionals explained the match at the
front stage with a projection, the game was so complicated that I
couldn't see which is winning until near the end. Another semi-final
match, my Fudo Go vs Katsunari, also was shown on the screen but
Hi Mark,
I'm not claiming to be an authority on the matter, but I beg to
differ. Name me an EGF 7-dan that's not professional level. And then
explain how come they are listed among players that are anywhere from
1p to 5p in different Asian countries. I used to be an EGF 6-dan and
have beaten top
Congratulations to Remi for Crazystone's second UEC cup victory, and solid
win over a professional.
David
> -Original Message-
> From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-
> boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Hideki Kato
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:16 AM
>
Nearly all players in the top 18 of the EGF rating list are at least 7d.
(http://gemma.ujf.cas.cz/~cieply/GO/gor.html)
6 players out of the EGF top 14 have a professional rank and they are not the
top 6. The top 3 has one 3p pro and two 7d (8d rating) amateurs.
The 7d ranks and p ranks are almost
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Michael Goetze wrote:
> this is actually a rather complicated topic because you can have different
> definitions for "professional strength". For instance, I could make an
> argument that S. Shikshina 3p does not have "professional strength", AFAIK
> she did not be
Congratulations Rémi for the two-year win at UEC Cup and two wins
against Aoba 4p with 8 and 7 stones handicap.
Fudo Go was improved almost nothing since Beijing other than
additional six Playstation 3 consoles due to short of time or writing
thesis.
I'll have enough time and be able to improve F
Mark Boon wrote:
All the examples given to support the argument either way are at best
anecdotal. But looking at the EGF ranking list, the 7-dan players are
interspersed with players of professional ranks, with very few 6 dans
among them. That is based on a considerable amount of data. Maybe you
Kato-san, David,
I am a staff of the UEC Cup.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Hideki Kato wrote:
> David Fotland: <00ca01c95fa2$5ee6bb50$1cb431...@com>:
>>Is it true that the final was a single elimination tournament, and not a
>>Swiss tournament? It seems that Many Faces never played Fudo Go
Hi Shun,
Shunsuke SOEDA: <7ca74f090812171839p61b96bfdu3d9633951e651...@mail.gmail.com>:
>Kato-san, David,
>PS.
>> Also, this style, Swiss for the preliminary and single-elimination for
>> the final, is common in Japan. World Computer Shogi Championship uses
>> the same style for example.
>Uhmm,
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Mark Boon wrote:
> It would have been much more persuasive if you had simply run a 5K
> playout bot against a 100K bot and see which wins more.
In 200 games, 100k beat 5k a total of 127 times. So that's about a
63.5% win rate.
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On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 03:27 +, Weston Markham wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Mark Boon wrote:
> > It would have been much more persuasive if you had simply run a 5K
> > playout bot against a 100K bot and see which wins more.
>
> In 200 games, 100k beat 5k a total of 127 times. So
One option is to reduce the time limit from 40 minutes to 30 minutes to add
another round. You can seed a swiss competition so it is likely that the
best programs will meet in the last round.
Regards,
David
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> From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:compute
I see AI Igo was one of the prizes. If it was the new AI Igo 17, it has the
Monte Carlo engine.
David
> -Original Message-
> From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-
> boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Hiroshi Yamashita
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:27
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