Re: [computer-go] The 2nd Comuputer Go UEC Cup

2008-10-29 Thread Hideki Kato
David Doshay: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >This is wonderful news for SlugGo, but unfortunately my wife just >booked a >vacation for us at the same time. I will have to wait until next time >to be >able to attend. That's unlucky for us. >I will plan to hold this time open next year and hope that you

Re: [computer-go] The 2nd Comuputer Go UEC Cup

2008-10-29 Thread Hideki Kato
Yes. You (or, possibly an agent) will have to play by hand. This, however, is so common in Computer Olympiad tournaments that I guess it's not a big problem. Hideki terry mcintyre: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >The protocol used is described as a "modified NNGS" protocol. The paragraph on >remote >c

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Williams
Thanks for the suggestion, Mark. Below I show the exact code used (C#) and the amount of time each version took. Original: for (int mv = 0; mv < NNN; mv++) { credit[mv] = true; // initial assumption is that credit is awarded for any move } double we

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Zach Wegner
I'm not familiar with low-level C# stuff, but I imagine the reason is increased code size. And I really doubt that the overflow checking for the playout ID is worth doing. After 4 billion playouts (assuming unsigned 32 bit int) is there any chance of an intersection not being hit once? ___

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Boon
Well, it shows that it always pays to measure the effect of an 'optimization' instead of trusting on blind-faith. Or logic. Because it seems very counterintuitive. I would not have been so surprised if, as Don said, it would have been negligeable. But for it to actually become noticeably sl

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:49 -0400, Michael Williams wrote: > I am unable to explain the results. It's just noise. Any code change can slightly help or hurt for no easily explainable reason. It could be some effect on caching, the optimizer, branch prediction, or something else. You do have a

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:08 -0500, Zach Wegner wrote: > I'm not familiar with low-level C# stuff, but I imagine the reason is > increased code size. > > And I really doubt that the overflow checking for the playout ID is > worth doing. After 4 billion playouts (assuming unsigned 32 bit int) > is t

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Williams
Yeah, I guess doing an extra subtraction in the loop (for the comparison) is slower than having a separate loop for initialization. Don Dailey wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:49 -0400, Michael Williams wrote: I am unable to explain the results. It's just noise. Any code change can slightl

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Don Dailey
I want to add that the most efficient thing for modern processors isn't necessarily the most efficient theoretical algorithm.Years ago for instance hash tables were "more efficient" than they are today, but now perhaps B-Tree's win for similar purposes because they are designed to be cache frie

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:24 -0400, Michael Williams wrote: > Yeah, I guess doing an extra subtraction in the loop (for the > comparison) is slower than having a separate loop for initialization. This might actually be a real slowdown now that I think about it. The initialization loop should be r

Re: [computer-go] enhanced test

2008-10-29 Thread dhillismail
Go81 by Tapani Raiko used decaying move weight values as part of AMAF. He published his source code, and a paper in 2004. Both are?well worth reading. - Dave Hillis ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mai

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Darren Cook
> I want to add that the most efficient thing for modern processors isn't > necessarily the most efficient theoretical algorithm.Years ago for > instance hash tables were "more efficient" than they are today, but now > perhaps B-Tree's win for similar purposes because they are designed to > be

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Boon
On 29-okt-08, at 16:24, Don Dailey wrote: I want to add that the most efficient thing for modern processors isn't necessarily the most efficient theoretical algorithm.Years ago for instance hash tables were "more efficient" than they are today, but now perhaps B-Tree's win for similar

[computer-go] Re: Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Dave Dyer
Here's a chance to share an amusing and illustrative anecdote. I was working on optimizing "Goodbot", a program that plays Tantrix, and because of the nature of the game, the only way to really qualify an improvement is to run many test games against a standard opponent. At one point, I was mak

[computer-go] Re: Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Dave Dyer
Here's a chance to share an amusing and illustrative anecdote. I was working on optimizing "Goodbot", a program that plays Tantrix, and because of the nature of the game, the only way to really qualify an improvement is to run many test games against a standard opponent. At one point, I was mak

Re: [computer-go] Another enhancement to AMAF

2008-10-29 Thread Christoph Birk
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Mark Boon wrote: the implementation with one that clears the array instead of increasing the marker. And I'll only have to make changes in one place instead of dozens, or more. Not that I had this in mind when I designed it, it's just the beneficial side-effect of OO design