Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Petri Pitkanen
Cost reduction in IC has reached or is reaching its limits. Intels 5n techk is not really a 5n and 5n is not really reachable. Not at least without some seriously new physics and even then there will be hard limits like quantum un--certainty. This particular chip may get cheaper if it is ever done

Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 19.10.2017 20:13, Richard Lorentz wrote: Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing". Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware. Today, it seems 4 TPU cost US$25 million. In 5 or 10 years, every computer might have its 4-TPU-chip costing $250, if not $25. At le

Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Cyris Sargon
Sure, both hardware and software / algorithms are needed... but which gets you the bigger ROI? { Just a rhetorical question, I know it is not linear and not a simple question... but in general, I can see David Silver's (& Richard Lorentz / Demis Hassabis' counter) point }. May you live in sente,

Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Brian Cloutier
Well, if you have both, why not use both :) On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:51 AM Richard Lorentz wrote: > An interesting juxtaposition. > > Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing". > > Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware. >