Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Hideki, thanks for all your open comments here in the mailing list in the last few days. I know that these days (with the losses) are really hard bread for the Zen team. But "in the end" you will emerge from the lessons stronger than anytime before. > >When would be possible to buy a new

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Hideki Kato
Pawe Morawiecki: : >Hideki, > > >> An important difference from actual game is >> the search tree, which is very big in real, long-time setting >> game. One possible interpretation is, Zen read in deep and >> found the (wrong) seki, which would lead W a sure win and so, >> played R18 toward thi

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Paweł Morawiecki
Hideki, > An important difference from actual game is > the search tree, which is very big in real, long-time setting > game. One possible interpretation is, Zen read in deep and > found the (wrong) seki, which would lead W a sure win and so, > played R18 toward this (again wrong!) winning posi

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Hideki Kato
The strange moves (start with 234th move) could be caused a deep search together with the misrecognition of the seki (described in previous post). With one-shot testing, Zen always chose H14 instead of R18 (actual 234th move), which looks normal. (Time setting was 2 min for a move.) An impor

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Hideki Kato
We have set komi to 5.5 today. This looks worked fine. The strange yose moves were caused by unknown reason. We are seeking the cause(s). Observed fact: The upper left center three black stones cannot be captured but Zen looks evaluated them as dead. When Zen noticed the truth, horizen effe

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Paweł Morawiecki
> > > RATHER OFTEN the outcome was a score where both sides thought > to have won. In the 5.5/7.5 komi example from Go this means that > outcomes with +6 or +7 points for Black on the board would occur > often. > > It looks like this issue is serious again was a factor in today's game against Park