Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:03:56PM -0700, Phil G wrote: > To my surprise, GoGui can already read SGF with standard coordinates! :) I think you are muddying the waters by calling non-standard extensions 'standard' coordinates. I don't see any reason why [C4] should be harder to read than [cd]. N

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

> - Original Message > From: Phil G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'll take a look at GoGui tonight and see if I can provide a patch (unless > Markus does this first). To my surprise, GoGui can already read SGF with standard coordinates! :)___ compute

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

Markus Enzenberger wrote: > On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: > >> almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. >> > > it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. > 20% of the games or 20% of the sources? 20% of the games could have come from a

[computer-go] Re: XML alternatives to SGF

At 04:03 PM 10/22/2007, Markus Enzenberger wrote: >On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: >> almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. > >it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. >I recently run a test on a collection of about 5000 SGF files >from various sou

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: > almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. I recently run a test on a collection of about 5000 SGF files from various sources on the web and more than 20% of them generated a wa

Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Don Dailey wrote: The mogo team is reviving it. Last I heard they had it working - so I assume they are testing it? Do you know the web-page address? Christoph ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://ww

Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS

The mogo team is reviving it. Last I heard they had it working - so I assume they are testing it? - Don Christoph Birk wrote: > What happened to the 19x19 CGOS revival? > > Christoph > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org >

[computer-go] 19x19 CGOS

What happened to the 19x19 CGOS revival? Christoph ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

I'll take a look at GoGui tonight and see if I can provide a patch (unless Markus does this first). - Original Message From: Jason House [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my go bubble, the list of leading programs would be: * GoGui (which already supports reading the alternate format) * KGS To a le

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

Also, if converters were supplied it would be easy. A simple utility to go either way. - Don Jason House wrote: > > > On 10/22/07, *Phil G* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > To start, we just need the leading Go programs to read either > encoding format (so th

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

On 10/22/07, Phil G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To start, we just need the leading Go programs to read either encoding > format (so they are backwards compatible). This should be somewhat trivial > since you can tell which format just by looking at the coordinate encoding. > In my go bubble, th

Re: [computer-go] Re: alternatives to SGF

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My suggestion with GO is that you make whatever tools YOU use flexible enough to handle either format, either implicitly, or via some kind of configuration. You might have a user selectable "export" format and the import format could be easily made sm

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Of all the possibilities, I think what Phil says is the most sensible thing.   - - Don Phil G wrote: > > XML is overkill with little to no additional benefits. I can't read XML better than SGF. Plus it could be difficult to implemented on platf

[computer-go] Re: alternatives to SGF

> >However, I am in favor of changing the SGF format to allow coordinate encoding >using the "standard" coordinates system rather than the one created just for >SGF; i.e., "a1" vs "aa". I routinely use sgf for non-go games and completely ignore the standard set of tag names and contents. This

[computer-go] Re: alternatives to SGF

> >However, I am in favor of changing the SGF format to allow coordinate encoding >using the "standard" coordinates system rather than the one created just for >SGF; i.e., "a1" vs "aa". I routinely use sgf for non-go games and completely ignore the standard set of tag names and contents. This

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

XML is overkill with little to no additional benefits. I can't read XML better than SGF. Plus it could be difficult to implemented on platforms which do not have pre-made libraries for reading/writing XML documents, and writing an XML parser from scratch is not a trivial task. However, I am in

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

On 10/22/07, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I personally hate XML. It's crazy to reject SGF because of it's > readability only to use XML which is verbose and only somewhat readable > if you carefully construct it to be.What is cr

[computer-go] Re: XML alternatives to SGF

XML per se is not an improvement - it's just another way of wrapping data in a parseable package. XML says nothing about the structure, content, and semantics of the data. SGF does all that, it's very Go-friendly, and there are already many tools that use it for Go. ___

[computer-go] Re: XML alternatives to SGF

XML per se is not an improvement - it's just another way of wrapping data in a parseable package. XML says nothing about the structure, content, and semantics of the data. SGF does all that, it's very Go-friendly, and there are already many tools that use it for Go. ___

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I personally hate XML. It's crazy to reject SGF because of it's readability only to use XML which is verbose and only somewhat readable if you carefully construct it to be.What is crazy to me is that it was desgined to be HUMAN readable, and yet

[computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

An XML alternative [1] to SGF has recently come to my attention. What do others think of this alternative? Personally, the effect of a tag affecting the previous tag seems kind of strange to me. PS: I found out about this from [2], a recently closed GoGui feature request to write more sane sgf f

Re: [computer-go] libego

It should be fine by now. Thanks, Lukasz On 10/21/07, Chris Fant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lukasz's Libego site is not working (http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~lew/hg/libego/). > > Does anyone know the link directly to the latest release? > ___ > computer-g

Re: [computer-go] libego

On 21/10/2007, Chris Fant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. I'm getting this when I compile. Is gcc having a problem > finding the standard library? Any idea what I need to do to fix it? > BTW, I'm no Linux expert. > > # make > basic_go_types.cpp: In constructor 'player_t::player_t()': > basi