Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

This whole thing has given me quite the headache. At this point, due to time constraints, I am going to tough it out and stick with Drupal. I discovered the Data module, which looks like it will allow me to use custom (logical and sane) database tables and integrate them with the Drupal site. This

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

>> elm++ > elm didn't have good MIME support I have to agree. I have scoured YouTube and found no videos of Eric Lease Morgan silently trapped in a glass box... :-)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Couple things. Drupal documentation has heavily gone the way of the screencast, while I personally think they move too slowly, but I'm like that. There have been times where I haven't been able to figure something out and I've watched a screencast on a module and not only find the solution to

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

On Thu, 15 May 2014, Jodi Schneider wrote: elm++ people still use elm? I'm personally using the 'patterns-filters2' rule in alpine for managing my mailing lists. I've considered switching to mutt, but I haven't used elm or its derivatives in over a decade. (elm didn't have good MIME supp

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

This thread has been really interesting to read from my point of view: I've been seeing soo much about Drupal here there and everywhere that I truly have been thinking I'm missing out on something and furthermore that in order to even stand a chance in the current library technology job mark

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

elm++ On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > I have done my initial best to configure the mailing list to support a > jobs topic, and I've blogged about how you can turn off or turn on the jobs > listings. [1] From the blog: > > The Code4Lib community has also spawned job

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

That summarizes my feelings quite well. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Simon Spero Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal https://drupal

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Thanks for the suggestions about videos and the Services module. I will give it a look. I am still quite torn overall about whether to stick it out with Drupal or use a framework. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

I thought I'd chime in as I'm site administrator for small non-profit organization's web site using whatever free Wordpress functionality I've inherited. I find some tasks relatively easy to accomplish. Some others, well, I'll charitably say that there's just no way things should be that obtuse

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Josh, I welcome your initial rant, which was well articulated -- sometimes I can't find anything beyond 4-letter words to express my frustration. It surprises me that there has not been much discussion of Drupal on this list, or even on Drupal4Lib recently -- yet it's so prevalent in Librarie

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

If you were to characterize me in one group of web developers, I'm pretty much a Drupalist. I committed to it more so than Wordpress back in the WP2.x days when I found that WP wouldn't easily/natively help me to grab records dynamically from both a flickr feed and a non-wordpress MYSQL db. At t

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Nina, Thank you for your insights. I'm glad to get a response from someone with lots of relatively positive Drupal experience. As far as functionality problems, I can offer two examples: 1. I have a library hours page that pulls information from Google Calendars with Feeds and redisplays it usin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Thank you for the detailed response. Feel free to quote me about Drupal :) It sounds like you have experienced just what I'm afraid of: I will spend all this time making a Drupal site with the intention that it will be easy to inherit, and then my theoretical successor scraps it. Josh Welker ---

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Hmm using a CMS for the basic site and then a framework for all complex functions might be a good idea. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Wiegand, Laura K. Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

That sounds like just what I'm looking for! I will check it out. Thanks. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Walls Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:09 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustra

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

I've been using Drupal since 2007-8 and it seems like every time I use it, I learn something new. It is an extremely powerful CMS but its certainly not for everyone. Sometimes its overkill and other times it can be inflexible. I think the biggest advantage of it is the level of customization y

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

I have been with Drupal for about 10years now, (think Flexinode). I have also built several applications in PHP, MySQL, etc. and I have to say I have for sure had times I wanted to tear my hair out with Drupal, but over the years and I have to say I do like it quite a bit and feel like it is the mo

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

This seems like a good opportunity to mention the best CMS ever http://bestcmsever.com/ James On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina > wrote: > > Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda! > > > > J

Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

I have done my initial best to configure the mailing list to support a jobs topic, and I've blogged about how you can turn off or turn on the jobs listings. [1] From the blog: The Code4Lib community has also spawned job postings. Sometimes these job postings flood the mailing list, and while

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina wrote: > Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda! > > Josh, I didn't take your OP as abrasive at all. We've ALL been up on that > ledge, man! What ledge? Oh, THAT ledge! http://www.codem0nk3y.com/wp-content/uploads/2

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

In the case of Django, if buy _Two Scoops of Django_ and slavishly follow its best practices (plus normal best practices like writing comments), your code will be pretty maintainable by others. CRUD views are dead simple to write and the class-based views introduced in 1.5 impose enough uniformity

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda! Josh, I didn't take your OP as abrasive at all. We've ALL been up on that ledge, man! If you know me at all, you know I'm pretty pro-Drupal. Pretty sure I still have KoolAid stains on my face. This is mainly because I'm a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Hi Joshua, On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 09:47:06AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote: > Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off > as too abrasive. No worries, I find it a fair depiction, and I share your Drupal pain. > The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figur

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

For me the main benefit of Drupal has been that, as a wanna-be coder, I can do some very powerful things simply through logic - I may have to carefully think about structure, relationships, experiment with views, evaluate modules carefully, problem-solve during updates, document my work, etc, bu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Josh, I'd like to take this opportunity to hock SilverStripe [http://www.silverstripe.org/], a PHP-based MVC framework and CMS. I'm using it for my library's website redesign, and it's proving very capable. This redesign includes not only migrating our pages, but also integrating our databa

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off as too abrasive. The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly is the use case for Drupal. Do you want a dead-simple website? Use Wordpress. Do you want to add some complex custom apps? Use a fr

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

When I came into this position I inherited some work the former tech manager had done in installing and experimenting with Drupal as a tool to replace our current CMS-less ColdFusion environment. I also quickly grew unhappy with it. I've been experimenting with MODX, which I like so far. If you're

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

I dropped Drupal because of the problems outlined by Joshua and others. There is no doubt in my mind if you have the time and staff resources to learn Drupal and your specific instance of Drupal, that it is a very powerful and useful tool. However, the learning curve is steep and time consuming. Al

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Joshua, >From my perspective, the module ecosystem is the greatest strength that Drupal has. Modularity is one of the central design goals of the system, so if you if you want to avoid all third-party modules, you aren't going to get any real advantage over something like wordpress. Having said

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

All of this points to fragility of computer systems. This relies on that. That relies on the other thing. Repeat. I can see how it is frustrating, and I’ve experienced it too many times. After I while — IMHO — the whole things becomes more effort than it it worth, and it is scary because more ti

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

I am a Django developer, and would certainly prefer working with Django to working with Drupal ;) It's very straightforward to write CRUD views, and there are several CMSes already written on top of Django. (Here is 100% of what I know about them: the lead developer of mezzanine seems nice; django

Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

No doubt others like Cary Gordon can chime in with some thoughtful advice, but here are some things I like about Drupal: Modules that make complicated things fairly trivial like Services and Feeds. I like Views, though your complaints are valid. Take the good with the bad for that. Between tpl.p

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal

Salvete!     It sounds like you might want too much out of the box or at least a higher degree of simplicity or usability than most stuff will provide. Usability is a holy grail that most folks frankly don't feel like shelling out for so it remains all shiny and out of reach. Should it? No, of