Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

+1 and thank you to the "doers!" Tim On 7/24/17, 10:02 PM, "Code for Libraries on behalf of Kim, Bohyun" wrote: And as you may have guessed, it's already in the works. Voting coming soon from LPC +Program Committee +FCIG. Bohyun > On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Tim

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

And as you may have guessed, it's already in the works. Voting coming soon from LPC +Program Committee +FCIG. Bohyun > On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Tim McGeary wrote: > > +1. > > And as a past Conference Chair (2014), I am happy to assist in a process or > be a source of information, as ne

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

+1. And as a past Conference Chair (2014), I am happy to assist in a process or be a source of information, as needed and appropriate. Tim On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:39 PM Matt Sherman wrote: > I would second (well at this point third) your proposal Andromeda. > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:34 P

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

I would second (well at this point third) your proposal Andromeda. On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: > All for it. Let's call the question, as you have put it so well. Fire up > the voting machine! > Roy > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Andromeda Yelton < > andromeda.yel...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

+1 to all of that. The very reason I didn't post and was part of the original deafening silence was because I had no idea what the affect of my posting would be, so why waste people's bandwidth? jenn On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Andromeda Yelton < andromeda.yel...@gmail.com> wrote: > In my

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

All for it. Let's call the question, as you have put it so well. Fire up the voting machine! Roy On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Andromeda Yelton < andromeda.yel...@gmail.com> wrote: > In my experience on the LITA board (which Code4lib most emphatically is > not), there are sometimes discussions

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

In my experience on the LITA board (which Code4lib most emphatically is not), there are sometimes discussions where all the substantive issues have been put on the table but we have not managed to make a decision, and eventually I realized that is because unstructured discussion is not a mechanism

Re: [CODE4LIB] What's so bad about bylaws?

On Jul 24, 2017 18:07, "Eric Lease Morgan" wrote: Again, I advocate incorporating, even if incorporation means not necessarily becoming a non-profit organization. The process is almost trivial, and it costs a trivial amount of money. Once code4lib.com exists, then it/we can have a bank account, a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

Jonathan is right, Cary. I am on this year's LPC for the next year's C4L conference at DC, and we are already working with DLF as a fiscal sponsor. No legal entity status was required. Bohyun From: Code for Libraries on behalf

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal Continuity IG report redux [silence has been deafening]

Hi all, Great discussion so far. I want to add a few things as I do not see them mentioned in the email thread so far. As a current Local Planning Committee (LPC) member for the C4L18 DC Conference, here are some things that I would like to share. --- Having a separate fiscal sponsor allows a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

> The bottom line is that we need some sort of entity if we want enter into an agreement with a fiscal agent or sponsor. Otherwise, there is no "we” to enter into said agreement. I've said this before and I'll keep saying it, this is not true that you need a legal entity to have your project fisca

Re: [CODE4LIB] What's so bad about bylaws?

Hello, I haven't responded in a while. Never made it to a conference yet. But let's just incorporate and formalize. Geesh. If things were more formal I think I would have participated more. Thanks, Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > Again, I adv

Re: [CODE4LIB] What's so bad about bylaws?

There are other entity forms that can accomplish those ends without the not-inconsiderable paperwork overhead and cost of incorporating. Galen and I investigated an association entity. Cary > On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > Again, I advocate incorporating, even if in

Re: [CODE4LIB] What's so bad about bylaws?

Again, I advocate incorporating, even if incorporation means not necessarily becoming a non-profit organization. The process is almost trivial, and it costs a trivial amount of money. Once code4lib.com exists, then it/we can have a bank account, an identification (EIN) number, and somebody will

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

This is what the FCIG has been working on. The bottom line is that we need some sort of entity if we want enter into an agreement with a fiscal agent or sponsor. Otherwise, there is no "we” to enter into said agreement. Cary > On Jul 24, 2017, at 1:03 PM, EDWIN VINCENT SPERR wrote: > > Again

Re: [CODE4LIB] What's so bad about bylaws?

The kinds of decisions that the Code4Lib community has made in the past are really more like suggestions, as Code4Lib is not an entity. If the Code4Lib community wants to work with a fiscal agent, it needs to have some kind of legal structure in order to have the standing to do that. It does no

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

Again, it is great that things have worked out so well for so long. And there is nothing about the process of formalization that requires (or is even intended to bring about) the sidelining of the folks who have worked so hard to make the Conferences, the Journal and everything else such a succe

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal Continuity IG report redux [silence has been deafening]

On Jul 24, 2017 11:28, "Tod Olson" wrote: If we go the fiscal sponsor route, the fiscal sponsor would be able to receive such payments, assuming the Journal is part of Code4Lib for these purposes. Of the things issues surrounding governance and finances, I wouldn't invest much energy in journa

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

I've been pondering about this a fair amount. I don't think Code4Lib is an "amorphous entity with no systematic way of arriving at a decision or definable point of contact". Rather, it is a decentralized community with long-established norms and consensus-based procedures for discerning the wil

Re: [CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

➢ So, in the spirit of the current way of doing things, I propose the formation of an ad-hoc, self-nominated committee (perhaps the last of its kind) to investigate a formal governance structure for Code4Lib and then assist the Community with its implementation. Isn’t this what the FCIG is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal Continuity IG report redux [silence has been deafening]

If we go the fiscal sponsor route, the fiscal sponsor would be able to receive such payments, assuming the Journal is part of Code4Lib for these purposes. That would be part of the sponsor being able to "hold funds on behalf of Code4Lib." (FCIG report, p. 6.) The particulars of how the Journal

[CODE4LIB] Governance for Code4Lib (was: What's so bad about bylaws?)

It is true that the Community has held 12 annual conferences without formalization. And yes, it is likely *possible* to continue with the current model of every conference being essentially a separate entity, and support from the larger community being on an ad-hoc basis. But the reason we are h

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal Continuity IG report redux [silence has been deafening]

I realize the C4L Journal is only a tiny part of this whole issue, but as we look at going with ALA/LITA, (and the others, for that matter, for comparison's sake), I am wondering how and whether the Journal would have a place (since to process royalty payments there would have to be some kind of fo

Re: [CODE4LIB] good kings & bad kings: an sql query [resolved]

Unfortunately, Eric's system will never learn of the glory of the King in Yellow. On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Timothy Cornwell wrote: > The righteous crimson king solved all the problems Your evil red king over > taxes us. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailt

Re: [CODE4LIB] good kings & bad kings: an sql query [resolved]

The righteous crimson king solved all the problems Your evil red king over taxes us. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG] On Behalf Of Eric Lease Morgan Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] go