Re: Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Graham Cox
On 18/02/2010, at 11:46 PM, Peter Hudson wrote: > I started out this way to avoid exactly the problem you get from requiring > users to move critical files around. Most of our users are not comfortable > with computers, let alone moving files around ! Add in the problem of > making sure the

Fwd: Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Hudson
Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Hudson Date: 18 February 2010 12:46:55 GMT To: Graham Cox Subject: Re: Re : Proper way to initialize application support file I started out this way to avoid exactly the problem you get from requiring users to move critical files around. Most of our

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Stuart Malin
On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I see the data I get from the internet as not in the strictest sense > 'necessary' for the program to run, just that it would be unable to do > very much without it. So using my loose definition, the Application > Support folder would be the plac

Re: Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Graham Cox
On 18/02/2010, at 11:09 PM, Peter Hudson wrote: > I'm getting confused. > > It seems that any files that are 'essential to the running of the app' are > placed in the bundle. > > It also seems that any files that are 'essential to the running of the app', > if they are in the bundle, must

Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Hudson
I'm getting confused. It seems that any files that are 'essential to the running of the app' are placed in the bundle. It also seems that any files that are 'essential to the running of the app', if they are in the bundle, must not be modified. The type of files which I put in the bund

Re: Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Graham Lee
On 18 Feb 2010, at 09:36, Peter Hudson wrote: > " Files that are necessary should be inside your app bundle, usually." > > > > I put some files into the app bundle which were essential for the app to run - > but also needed to be modified at run time. > Those definitely shouldn't be cha

Re : Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Hudson
" Files that are necessary should be inside your app bundle, usually." I put some files into the app bundle which were essential for the app to run - but also needed to be modified at run time. The first time our app was installed on a server ( for a number of users to have access

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Steve and Kyle, I may not understand the term "Application bundle" > correctly, but to me it shouldn't be something that the program can > store data intot. If I'm wrong, then, for example, reinstalling the > program (and presumably recreating

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Kyle, I've reread your post and now see your last sentence, where you > mention Library/Caches. I guess that could be an acceptable location > for the data I download from the internet. I still feel the data as > being more "persistent" than d

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Kyle, I've reread your post and now see your last sentence, where you mention Library/Caches. I guess that could be an acceptable location for the data I download from the internet. I still feel the data as being more "persistent" than data associated with a 'cache' though. I'm considering adding

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve and Kyle, I may not understand the term "Application bundle" correctly, but to me it shouldn't be something that the program can store data intot. If I'm wrong, then, for example, reinstalling the program (and presumably recreating the 'Application bundle') would destroy the acquired data, wh

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Ken Thomases
On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I am working on a Document-based application that needs to have a > certain file in ~/Library/Application Support/ before it can > do anything. It needs to be created the first time the program is run > (or if it has been deleted by the user). >

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread jonat...@mugginsoft.com
On 17 Feb 2010, at 21:25, Steven Degutis wrote: > Apple's docs explicitly say that this folder should only contain files that > are *not* necessary for the app to function normally. Files that are > necessary should be inside your app bundle, usually. > > -Steven > I would stretch to say that

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Steven Degutis wrote: > Apple's docs explicitly say that this folder should only contain files that > are *not* necessary for the app to function normally. Files that are > necessary should be inside your app bundle, usually. As has been covered before, I believe

Re: Proper way to initialize application support file

2010-02-17 Thread Steven Degutis
Apple's docs explicitly say that this folder should only contain files that are *not* necessary for the app to function normally. Files that are necessary should be inside your app bundle, usually. -Steven On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I am working on a Document-based a