Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Nick Zitzmann
On Feb 27, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote: (My project consisted of 200 lines of ObjC code, sans nib file, to implement two Tcl commands to change an app's Dock icon. Is that making simple things complicated?) If you could have done it with a GUI builder, then probably. But changi

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Kevin Walzer
Nick Zitzmann wrote: FWIW, I can only think of two good reasons not to use IB and some IDE to make Mac OS X executables: 1. The developer has some sort of handicap that makes use of IB inconvenient to impossible. 2. The developer is working on yet another cross-platform framework, such as XU

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Suman
You can also pound a nail into wood using your fist, but I would recommend a hammer. Xcode and IB are there for a reason, they make Cocoa dev much easier. I echo the others here and say, use them to do Cocoa dev. Mark On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, I. Savant wrote: > On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:15

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Nick Zitzmann
On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: Has anyone asked the original poster (that's you, baba) *why* he wants to do this? I did, and got an answer back off-list. The OP can re-post it if he wishes. FWIW, I can only think of two good reasons not to use IB and some IDE to ma

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Paul Sanders
> > Has anyone asked the original poster (that's you, baba) *why* he wants > > to do this? > Yes. Nick did. Sorry, must have missed it. Anyway baba, speaking as a noob, it's worth the learning curve, although it feels mighty strange at first. __

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread I. Savant
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Paul Sanders wrote: > Has anyone asked the original poster (that's you, baba) *why* he wants to do > this? Yes. Nick did. -- I.S. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requ

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread Paul Sanders
Has anyone asked the original poster (that's you, baba) *why* he wants to do this? Speaking as a 'Windows Switcher', I was tempted to ignore Interface Builder, for a while. Hell, I even took a look at Carbon :) ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-27 Thread I. Savant
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Mark Suman wrote: > You can also pound a nail into wood using your fist, but I would recommend a > hammer. Yes, very wise. Thank you for that. I think the analogy works better like this: Why use a plain old hammer when there're pneumatic nail drivers with n

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-25 Thread I. Savant
On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Nick Zitzmann wrote: I strongly recommend you do not fight the tools, unless you have a **really** good reason to do otherwise. Just stick to IB and the Xcode build system. If you do have a really good reason, then what is your reason? Agreed. That said, you

Re: gui development without using xcode or interface builder

2009-02-25 Thread Nick Zitzmann
On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:40 PM, nukala seetaiah baba wrote: Needed suggestions: how to develop gui application using cocoa frameworks and objective- c without using interface builder or xcode tools. You must be a Windows switcher. Welcome! I strongly recommend you do not fight the tools, u