Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-17 Thread James Merkel
Maybe you are correct. I have found a couple of other cases where Sandboxing limits the functionality of my application. I'm beginning to think maybe I should not Sandbox. By the way, none of the applications I have downloaded from the MAS are Sandboxed. Seems to be a lot of exceptions being ma

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-15 Thread koko
Yes, a piece of cake for a piece of cake app. Try doing something like iterating the file system so you can present to the user all files of unique types you understand that can be anywhere on the system. The sandbox is like a cat box … to be avoided at all costs. -koko On Sep 15, 2012, at 3

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-15 Thread James Merkel
On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:45 PM, James Merkel wrote: > Sandboxing is not as restrictive than I though it would be. > > For example, the documentation for the entitlement: > com.apple.security.files.user-selected.read-write says this entitlement > provides: "Read/write access to files the user h

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-14 Thread Scott Ellsworth
Eh, I suspect it is merely that DTS did not explicitly release Ben from the NDA when they gave him the answer. If this is a black helicopter moment, though, then color me interested. :) On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Graham Cox wrote: > > On 14/09/2012, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote: > > > you need

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-14 Thread Graham Cox
On 14/09/2012, at 8:47 PM, Ben wrote: > you need to file a bug/use a DTS incident to find out how. Hmmm... security through obscurity. That always works out well. --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-14 Thread Flavio Donadio
Scott Anguish (The Moderator) and all the people on the list, I am also sick and tired of that, since the arguments usually derail into ranting and pointless discussions. I also don't see any chance of this subject going away in the future, since it's now part of the OS strategy. So, I suggest

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-14 Thread Ben
On 13 Sep 2012, at 23:53, Graham Cox wrote: > If you need access to files whose paths or URLs you create programmatically > (e.g. you select a file.foo but it has a counterpart file.bar that you also > need to access) you can't… > > --Graham Yes you can. It's not difficult, but you need to

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-13 Thread Graham Cox
On 14/09/2012, at 9:14 AM, Kyle Sluder wrote: > I'm _sick_ of this argument. I'm sick of it too. When sandboxing has finally been implemented in a way that is non-buggy, covers all the edge cases and is reasonably straightforward for developers to use, perhaps it will go away. --Graham __

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-13 Thread Kyle Sluder
Gentlemen, I'm not a moderator, but I'm _sick_ of this argument. Can we please not have it again? --Kyle Sluder On Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 03:53 PM, Graham Cox wrote: > > On 14/09/2012, at 5:45 AM, James Merkel wrote: > > > So unless I'm missing something, sandboxing is a piece of cake. > > >

Re: Sandboxing not so bad

2012-09-13 Thread Graham Cox
On 14/09/2012, at 5:45 AM, James Merkel wrote: > So unless I'm missing something, sandboxing is a piece of cake. Congratulations, your app uses the file system in a simple way, and in the way that was largely anticipated by the sandboxing design. It's when you have slightly unusual requireme