Re: Properties & GC (was Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem)

2008-05-24 Thread Michael Ash
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Sherm Pendley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Michael Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sherm Pendley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Does this sound similar? Objective-C obviously already has a

Re: Properties & GC (was Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem)

2008-05-23 Thread Andy Lee
On May 22, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Bill Bumgarner wrote: The design goals of properties and GC were to make Cocoa developers more productive and to give Cocoa developers a better set of tools to take advantage of modern Macintosh hardware. That the technologies lower the barriers to entry is ce

Re: Properties & GC (was Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem)

2008-05-23 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Michael Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sherm Pendley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Does this sound similar? Objective-C obviously already has access > limiters, > > but disassociating the object and property storage would eli

Re: Properties & GC (was Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem)

2008-05-23 Thread Michael Ash
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sherm Pendley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obviously - but *which* Cocoa developers? I suspect that many veterans would > categorize these additions as premature optimization - I can't speak for > anyone else, but it's been years since I needed to write an accessor

Re: Properties & GC (was Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem)

2008-05-23 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Bill Bumgarner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 22, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Graham Cox wrote: > >> I think many of the additions in Object-C 2.0 and the addition of garbage >> collection is *precisely* a case of changing Cocoa to resemble other >> platforms (i.e. Jav