Re: who does like Objective-C 2.0 "properties" dot syntax ?

Hi, I have to agree with Quincey here. Quincey Morris wrote: > On Feb 20, 2009, at 16:17, Erik Buck wrote: > >> What is the redeeming value of the Objective-C 2.0 properties dot >> syntax ? >> >> I don't get it. I see lots of posts from other people wh

Re: who does like Objective-C 2.0 "properties" dot syntax ?

Just to say - I agree with you 100%. I personally love the dot syntax as synctatic sugar and I understand what it is. But I love that I can read my code and simply visualize better properties vs actions (in my own mind that is how I think about them) and as much as I like the Obj- C bracket

Re: who does like Objective-C 2.0 "properties" dot syntax ?

On Feb 20, 2009, at 16:17, Erik Buck wrote: What is the redeeming value of the Objective-C 2.0 properties dot syntax ? I don't get it. I see lots of posts from other people who don't get it. Who does get it ? OK, I'll bite, though there is of course no good outcome to

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

Of course that is true. No implication otherwise was meant or intended. I was merely establishing a point-of-reference. Hence the "...at least..." after "...Windows world...". Now, back to the coding... :D Peace, Love, and Light, /s/ Jon C. Munson II Quoting Alex Kac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

... go for it. Seriously -- there isn't a hard defined line for this. Personally, I initially found code like the above distasteful when I was first writing code with the dot syntax. At first, my thinking was much more hardline "if it is a setter/getter, use dot. Otherwise

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

Namaste! I'm going to add my two cents here (despite being a noob). I like the dot syntax. Why? (and before I go any further, I realize this is not a Windows forum, and also realize this is a very general set of statements and quite open to debate) Because, in the Windows world at

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Bill Bumgarner wrote: Not really. 'name' is still something that is an accessor type thing, regardless of whether it is derived or declared via @property() "dot abuse" refers to expressions like: foo.retain; bar.lockFocusIfCanDraw; That is, expressions where yo

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

*/ Yes, that's true Jim, I have used that readonly thing for dependent/ derived attributes, and it is likely that I would do as you just did. But when under stress, not guaranteed! On 2008 Dec, 05, at 20:06, Bill Bumgarner wrote: the dot syntax is 100% orthogonal to the @property s

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Jerry Krinock wrote: I understand why this must be so, but it makes the dot syntax difficult to use in practice. When writing a message, I have to stop and think, "Gee did I declare that as a property or not?" If I'm not sure, and have

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Jerry Krinock wrote: On 2008 Dec, 05, at 18:40, Chris Hanson wrote: Dot syntax compiles to objc_msgSend* just like bracket syntax does. However, it must see either getter/setter declarations or an @property declaration to know what selector to put in the

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Jerry Krinock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2008 Dec, 05, at 18:40, Chris Hanson wrote: > >> Dot syntax compiles to objc_msgSend* just like bracket syntax does. >> However, it must see either getter/setter declarations or an @prop

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On 2008 Dec, 05, at 18:40, Chris Hanson wrote: Dot syntax compiles to objc_msgSend* just like bracket syntax does. However, it must see either getter/setter declarations or an @property declaration to know what selector to put in the objc_msgSend* that it compiles to. I understand why

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

ot use dot syntax from. By casting the return value of -[NSSet anyObject] to (Bird *) you're giving the compiler the information it needs to handle the .name construct. Dot syntax compiles to objc_msgSend* just like bracket syntax does. However, it must see either getter/setter dec

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

The compiler must be able to resolve the class for dot syntax to work. Try casting. Luke Sent from my iPhone. On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Jerry Krinock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been having some unexpected results trying to compile code using Objective-C's Dot Sy

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On 2008 Dec, 05, at 16:44, glenn andreas wrote: On Dec 5, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Jerry Krinock wrote: I've been having some unexpected results trying to compile code using Objective-C's Dot Syntax. I realize that this may be due to an important question that I didn't find the

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Jerry Krinock wrote: I've been having some unexpected results trying to compile code using Objective-C's Dot Syntax. I realize that this may be due to an important question that I didn't find the answer to when I read about Objective-C 2.0 Prop

Re: What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Jerry Krinock wrote: I've been having some unexpected results trying to compile code using Objective-C's Dot Syntax. I realize that this may be due to an important question that I didn't find the answer to when I read about Objective-C 2.0 Prop

What are the limitations of Dot Syntax?

I've been having some unexpected results trying to compile code using Objective-C's Dot Syntax. I realize that this may be due to an important question that I didn't find the answer to when I read about Objective-C 2.0 Properties is: Can you use the dot syntax for "re

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

Le 20 juil. 08 à 16:31, Clark Cox a écrit : On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Jean-Daniel Dupas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 20 juil. 08 à 10:33, Ken Thomases a écrit : On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Rick Mann wrote: I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I nee

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Jean-Daniel Dupas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le 20 juil. 08 à 10:33, Ken Thomases a écrit : > >> On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Rick Mann wrote: >> >>> I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I nee

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: The dot syntax uses the getter and setting specified for the property in the @property declaration. As documented[1], if you don't explicitly supply getter or setter names in that directive, it defaults to the property name fo

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

ind the Objective-C syntax much cleaner than the C++ template based syntax, especially the complicated method call syntax. I started Object oriented programming with Simula 67, then Smalltalk, so C++ was the anomaly, not Objective-C. Syntax ease depends on your experience as much as inherent dif

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

Le 20 juil. 08 à 10:33, Ken Thomases a écrit : On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Rick Mann wrote: I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I need. I need to know how a property name (starts with lower-case letter) is transliterated into the getter/setter names. Th

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Rick Mann wrote: I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I need. I need to know how a property name (starts with lower-case letter) is transliterated into the getter/setter names. The dot syntax uses the getter and setting specified fo

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Ian Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/07/2008, at 11:36 PM, Michael Ash wrote: > >> The universe of programming languages extends far beyond this little >> island of ALGOL-lookalikes. Objective-C messaging syntax is utterly >> mundane compared to many common

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 19, 2008, at 18:34 , Ian Joyner wrote: On 19/07/2008, at 11:36 PM, Michael Ash wrote: The universe of programming languages extends far beyond this little island of ALGOL-lookalikes. Objective-C messaging syntax is utterly mundane compared to many common, useful syntaxes used in practi

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

in the actual definition. Definitely something else is going on, I think. I would advise you to embrace and learn both the dot syntax and square brackets. Well, I'm forced to use the square brackets for method calls (excuse me, "message sends"), and I love square br

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

definition. Definitely something > else is going on, I think. > >> I would advise you to embrace and learn both the dot syntax and square >> brackets. > > Well, I'm forced to use the square brackets for method calls (excuse me, > "message sends"), and I love

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

Ah. And a Google for ["dot syntax" site:developer.apple.com] would have turned that up right away. --Andy On Jul 19, 2008, at 2:54 AM, mmalc crawford wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Andy Lee wrote: Interesting... the online doc is missing a couple of sections that my Xco

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Andy Lee wrote: Interesting... the online doc is missing a couple of sections that my Xcode doc has. I'm looking here:

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 19, 2008, at 1:01 AM, Rick Mann wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:53:45, Andy Lee wrote: How up-to-date are your docs? Maybe the Dot Syntax section wasn't written yet in your version of the docs. I was looking online, at the ADC website. I'll check Xcode. Interesting...

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:51:57, Jerry Krinock wrote: setEp1: should work. The colon is significant and is a part of the method name. In fact, I do have the colon in the actual definition. Definitely something else is going on, I think. I would advise you to embrace and learn both the dot

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

On Jul 18, 2008, at 22:00:56, Andy Lee wrote: I haven't used either properties or dot syntax myself, but in the sidebar of the Objective-C 2.0 doc I see a "Declared Properties" section with a "Using Properties" subsection which has a "Property Declaration&

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Rick Mann wrote: Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the Obj-C 2.0 docs (Properties section) refers you "Dot Syntax." A search of ADC turns up the first hit: Look for Graphviz. ___

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:53:45, Andy Lee wrote: How up-to-date are your docs? Maybe the Dot Syntax section wasn't written yet in your version of the docs. I was looking online, at the ADC website. I'll check Xcode. -- Rick ___

Re: property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

On Jul 19, 2008, at 12:53 AM, Rick Mann wrote: I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I need. I need to know how a property name (starts with lower-case letter) is transliterated into the getter/setter names. I haven't used either properties or dot syntax myse

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

The Xcode doc window is your friend. I did a search for "dot syntax" and "The Dot Syntax" was the second hit. > Here's the link to my Obj-C 2.0 docs: > For me, there's a link on the sidebar to "The Dot Syntax". Do you not have this link?

property name-to-accessor munging? (was: Dot Syntax docs missing?)

I realize after all this, it's not really the Dot Syntax I need. I need to know how a property name (starts with lower-case letter) is transliterated into the getter/setter names. On Jul 18, 2008, at 20:58:35, Rick Mann wrote: Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On 18 Jul '08, at 9:44 PM, Rick Mann wrote: I know how to use the dot syntax in the typical case. What I want is an authoritative reference on how property names change case to match accessor functions I define. It's probably described in the documentation for Key-Value Coding

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On 2008 Jul, 18, at 20:58, Rick Mann wrote: Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the Obj-C 2.0 docs (Properties section) refers you "Dot Syntax." It also refers to "structure elements", by which they mean a C struct. Remember, Objective-C is built on

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:37:59, Diop Mercer wrote: Rick, I think all you need to do is say: //set someobject.someproperty = foo; //get bar = someobject.someproperty; I know how to use the dot syntax in the typical case. What I want is an authoritative reference on how property names change

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Rick Mann wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:05:33, Glenn L. Austin wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Rick Mann wrote: Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the Obj-C 2.0 docs (Properties section) refers you "Dot Syntax." A search of

Re: Dot Syntax docs missing?

On Jul 18, 2008, at 21:05:33, Glenn L. Austin wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Rick Mann wrote: Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the Obj-C 2.0 docs (Properties section) refers you "Dot Syntax." A search of ADC turns up the first hit: Look for Graphviz

Dot Syntax docs missing?

Where is the description of the dot syntax? The top of the Obj-C 2.0 docs (Properties section) refers you "Dot Syntax." A search of ADC turns up the first hit: The Objective-C 2.0 Programming Language: The Dot Syntax - Size: 24k ... The ... Syntax. Objective-C provides a ... ( . .

re: Dot syntax

I've been playing with Core Data and the syntax I use to access a Core Data attribute. In Mac OS X 10.4 I used syntax like: [a valueForKeyPath @"b.selection.c"] where b is a NSObjectController bound to a Core Data entity with Cocoa Bindings and c is an attribute of that entity. In Mac OS X 10.

Dot syntax

I've been playing with Core Data and the syntax I use to access a Core Data attribute. In Mac OS X 10.4 I used syntax like: [a valueForKeyPath @"b.selection.c"] where b is a NSObjectController bound to a Core Data entity with Cocoa Bindings and c is an attribute of that entity. In Mac OS X 1