Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
>> Apple has absolutely zero need to deliver a cross-OS-platform Totally agreed. The issue isn't Apple vs Microsoft, it's iOS vs macOS. >> If you're so absolutely set on cross-platform, leave the cross-platform work to those who do that We had a good 30-year run selling on both Mac & Windows: fir

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Glenn L. Austin via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev >> wrote: >> >> Thoughts? >> > > > What if Apple were to open source Foundation, Core Data, etc., most every > thing but the UI so that develope

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Thoughts? > What if Apple were to open source Foundation, Core Data, etc., most every thing but the UI so that developers could more easily generate cross platform apps. Recently visited this Microsoft web si

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Steve Mills via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:56, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: tl;dr Oh god NOOO! Steve via iPhone ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact

Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
Someone here suggested that I use an Apple DTS incident to ask about Cocoa's future, so I filed one Nov 19th. Still no reply. Ditto for a dev forum post, and an email to Aaron Hillegass. Meanwhile, we've been thinking about what to say to Apple that might help make our future app development eas