Speaking as a former moderator of this list, this thread is off-topic for
Cocoa-dev. This list is for TECHNICAL discussion and help.
Kindly take it to reddit or wherever else the denizens of comp.sys.mac.advocacy
ended up.
-jcr
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Well, hey, we here use Cocoa and are prepared for 64-bit as of the next couple
of weeks.
But that’s about basic changes in chip architecture and is understandable. I
was more worried about any hints of leaving Obj-C behind, and I’m glad to hear
that the Obj-C interface will continue to be valid
You guys have had *YEARS* to get your code bases updated to more modern APIs
and architectures. All this whining is bullshit. You've deferred and delayed
those updates and despite constant warnings that 32-bit was being deprecated,
you haven't updated.
As a user of some apps, I'm pissed. As a d
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:19:43 -0400, you wrote:
>Dont worry, ObjC UI is not being deprecated. There are new APIs in
>Catalina that are Swift-only, but that does not and will not prevent you
>from continuing to write ObjC applications that simply dont use those
>APIs.
Apple may not (yet) be
On Oct 2, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Sam Ryan via Cocoa-dev
wrote:
>
> It has felt like the support is not there the
> last few years, with much of the documentation "archived" and the new
> documentation focused on Swift.
While the text in the doc window shows me the Swift version I can always click
o
It is good to know there is still solid support for Objective-C UI, thank
you for the information John. It has felt like the support is not there the
last few years, with much of the documentation "archived" and the new
documentation focused on Swift. Presently, it is hard to justify native
develop
On 2 Oct 2019, at 15:03, Jeff Evans via Cocoa-dev wrote:
Here’s another small developer’s perspective:
Practica Musica has been around since 1987 in one form or another
(originally in 68000 assembler!). We’ve sold a lot of Macs for
Apple. The upcoming version 7 is still C++ with Objective-C w
Here’s another small developer’s perspective:
Practica Musica has been around since 1987 in one form or another
(originally in 68000 assembler!). We’ve sold a lot of Macs for Apple. The
upcoming version 7 is still C++ with Objective-C where necessary for the UI. We
refuse to use Swift,
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sadly, we just decided to abandon the Cocoa update for our app.
>
> Great historical overview from a small developers perspective.
I much prefer the Microsoft approach here. I guess the lesson to be learned
is to depend as less as possible on Apple or either be forced to go through
all the frequent SDK and language changes.
I'm planning on working on a desktop project and looking for solution to
use Cocoa/Swift as less as pos
agreed. i'm a small one person company with about ten of thousand customers,
half mac half windows.
wrote for mac first, carbon C++
ported to windows by porting CoreFoundation, then simulating Carbon APIs for
everything else
it's taken me YEARS to try to switch to Cocoa, and i'm still not done
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
> wrote:
>
> Sadly, we just decided to abandon the Cocoa update for our app.
Great historical overview from a small developers perspective. Perhaps you
should send this email to Tim Cook. It might some attention. Just a thoug
Sadly, we just decided to abandon the Cocoa update for our app. It's not
easy to walk away from 3 years of work, but better 3 years lost than 5.
Time will be better spent on our Windows version.
TurtleSoft started Mac-only with Excel templates in 1987. The first
prototype of our current stand-alon
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:50:19 +1300, Sam Ryan via Cocoa-dev said:
>That was a good read, thank you for passing that on. It highlights a good
>point, that Apple is itself releasing applications with non-Mac UI (News,
>Home, Stocks, Voice Memos are mentioned in that article).
Another way to look at i
—Jens
> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Sam Ryan wrote:
>
> In fact those applications are forced upon the user in a way that I've never
> seen before, as if they are core system components.
You mean pre-installed? There have always been plenty of bundled apps like
Mail, Calendar, Chess, etc.
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