Re: Window not displaying

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Farmer
On 30 Jun 2009, at 22:28, rethish wrote: @implementation SendWindowClass -(void)openNew { [ScheduleWindow makeKeyAndOrderFront:self]; } What is ScheduleWindow, and how is it allocated? The code you've provided here never initializes a window - I'm assuming that it's sometimes initiali

Re: Dynamic Services menu, CM plug-in alternatives

2009-06-30 Thread Dragan Milić
On sre 01. 07. 2009., at 03:28, Alex Kac wrote: I don't see how Apple makes it difficult. This was a comment about Apple rendering all 3rd party CM plug-ins completely obsolete and useless. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com)

Re: Window not displaying

2009-06-30 Thread rethish
@implementation SendWindowClass -(void)openNew { [ScheduleWindow makeKeyAndOrderFront:self]; } -(IBAction)newWindow:(id)sender { [ScheduleWindow makeKeyAndOrderFront:self]; } @end @implementation controller - (void)applicationDidFinishLaunching:(NSNotification *)aNotification {

Re: Programmatically adding to one big Finder selection ?

2009-06-30 Thread Dave Keck
I'd imagine the easiest way to do this is using an AppleScript, which can be embedded in your app using the NSAppleScript class. But I've got a whole lot of PTSD towards AppleScript, so if it were me, I would deal with the AppeEvents directly, much as it's done here: http://developer.apple.com/do

Programmatically adding to one big Finder selection ?

2009-06-30 Thread André Berg
Hi, I have an NSArray of NSString's representing valid POSIX paths. How can I loop through that array and make one big selection of all the items in one Finder window running in list-view mode? I know about [[NSWorkspace sharedWorkspace] selectFile:@"/some/path" inFileViewerRootedAtPath:@""

Re: How Do I Statically Link to libcurl?

2009-06-30 Thread Roland King
I think I tried that once with exactly libcurl and got into a mess. I just changed the linker line to have -lcurl on it. Nick Zitzmann wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Chris Tracewell wrote: Finally, just to be sure to be sure to steer things back to my original question... whether I d

Re: How Do I Statically Link to libcurl?

2009-06-30 Thread Nick Zitzmann
On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Chris Tracewell wrote: Finally, just to be sure to be sure to steer things back to my original question... whether I dynamically link or statically link, is there a manual anywhere that describes how to do this in XCode? I'm not sure, but did you try the "add

Re: How Do I Statically Link to libcurl?

2009-06-30 Thread Chris Tracewell
On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Kyle Sluder wrote: dylib means "dynamic library"... Why do you need to link against libcurl statically? Not saying there aren't valid use cases, but please present yours. I guess I assumed that static linking is prefered as it would include libcurl with the ex

Re: Raw Infrared Data

2009-06-30 Thread Mr. Gecko
All I really need is the raw data from the Apple Remote so I don't have to have the hold skip and previous buttons function. On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Andrew Farmer wrote: On 30 Jun 2009, at 07:03, Mr. Gecko wrote: Is there anyway to get raw Infrared data from the Apple IR Controller? I

Re: Raw Infrared Data

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Farmer
On 30 Jun 2009, at 07:03, Mr. Gecko wrote: Is there anyway to get raw Infrared data from the Apple IR Controller? I'll like to be able to see data from remotes that are not the Apple Remote and also see the raw data of the apple remote so I could make a generic game controller or something l

Crash on wake from sleep

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
My app has a single window with a single view and I call: NSImage*theImage = [[[NSImage alloc] initWithContentsOfFile:mapImagePath] autorelease]; [window orderFront:self]; [imageView setImage:theImage]; [imageView setNeedsDisplay:YES]; The file that this image comes from will be deleted

Help with Help (AHLookupAnchor)

2009-06-30 Thread Graham Cox
Hi all, I'm trying to link help buttons in my app to topics in my help book. I have a simple scheme where the (hidden) title of the button contains the anchor and I pass it to AHLookupAnchor. The help window opens as 'untitled' with a blank content, but AHLookupAnchor returns noErr (0). I

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Tommy Nordgren
On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:57 AM, Tommy Nordgren wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Ross Carter wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Quincey Morris wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:34, Ross Carter wrote: I am receiving crash reports for code that enumerates an array returned by NSFontManager.

Re: [iPhone] newbie Q: switching between two views

2009-06-30 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Beth Freeman wrote: > DesignMeditationsAppDelegate: > > - (void)applicationDidFinishLaunching:(UIApplication *)application { > > >    // Override point for customization after application launch > > [window addSubview:meditationViewController.view]; > > [window addS

Re: How Do I Statically Link to libcurl?

2009-06-30 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Chris Tracewell wrote: > So... call me an idiot, but I am lost as how to get libcurl into my project. > I can see libcurl.4.dylib & libcurl.3.dylib on my hard drive using > spotlight. I have googled and googled and only found bits and pieces here > and there but not

How Do I Statically Link to libcurl?

2009-06-30 Thread Chris Tracewell
So... call me an idiot, but I am lost as how to get libcurl into my project. I can see libcurl.4.dylib & libcurl.3.dylib on my hard drive using spotlight. I have googled and googled and only found bits and pieces here and there but nothing concrete, that is a 1,2,3 instruction on how to "li

Re: Dynamic Services menu, CM plug-in alternatives

2009-06-30 Thread Alex Kac
A tip - SL is NDA and we can't talk about it here. Second, you don't have to be a Premium member to get access to it. Select is good and that's far less expensive. I don't see how Apple makes it difficult. On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Dragan Milić wrote: Hello everyone, I'd firstly like ju

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
> > On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Trygve Inda wrote: > >> [theFormat setDateFormat:@"EEE MMM dd HH:mm:ss zzz "]; > >> > I'm not sure if "UTC" is recognised; try: > > [myFormatter setDateFormat:@"EEE MMM dd HH:mm:ss 'UTC' "]; > > mmalc > > Indeed that does it. So will the date create

[iPhone] newbie Q: switching between two views

2009-06-30 Thread Beth Freeman
Hi all,I am building a multiview app and rather than having a root view controller with two subviews, I thought I'd try putting the view switching code into the app delegate as follows. However, it's not working. Is this a dumb thing to do? Should I always use a root view controller if I'm switc

Re: what user does a PreferencePane run as?

2009-06-30 Thread Bill Janssen
Thanks. Bill Andy Lee wrote: > Although it has "System" in its name, it's just another double-clickable > application, so it runs as the user who launches it. The fact that you can > launch it from the Apple menu is just a convenience. > > --Andy > > On Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 08:01PM,

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread mmalc Crawford
On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Trygve Inda wrote: [theFormat setDateFormat:@"EEE MMM dd HH:mm:ss zzz "]; I'm not sure if "UTC" is recognised; try: [myFormatter setDateFormat:@"EEE MMM dd HH:mm:ss 'UTC' "]; mmalc ___ Cocoa-dev ma

Re: what user does a PreferencePane run as?

2009-06-30 Thread Andy Lee
Although it has "System" in its name, it's just another double-clickable application, so it runs as the user who launches it. The fact that you can launch it from the Apple menu is just a convenience. --Andy On Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 08:01PM, "Bill Janssen" wrote: >I'm working on a syste

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
So, In the International Pane of System prefs, I have set the Region to Germany Then in my app I call: NSString* myDateString = @"Tue Jun 30 15:53:24 UTC 2009"; NSDateFormatter* theFormat = [[NSDateFormatter alloc] init]; [theFormat setFormatterBehavior:NSDateFormatterBehavior10_4]; [theF

Re: what user does a PreferencePane run as?

2009-06-30 Thread Stephen J. Butler
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: > I'm working on a system prefs pref pane for my application. I'd like to > have it read the user's preferences for that application, but I can't > find out where it says what user the System Preferences application runs > as, and how to control

what user does a PreferencePane run as?

2009-06-30 Thread Bill Janssen
I'm working on a system prefs pref pane for my application. I'd like to have it read the user's preferences for that application, but I can't find out where it says what user the System Preferences application runs as, and how to control that, or whether that's possible. Bill

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Tommy Nordgren
On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Ross Carter wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Quincey Morris wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:34, Ross Carter wrote: I am receiving crash reports for code that enumerates an array returned by NSFontManager. The app is garbage-collected. Chances are someone w

Re: Design for custom tableviewcell button action

2009-06-30 Thread mmalc Crawford
On Jun 30, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Brian Slick wrote: Does the first line mean that I cannot reuse the XIB-based cells in different view controllers? No. As long as the view controllers all provide the same API (the actions and outlets) you use in the nib file, then the actual class doesn't r

Re: Design for custom tableviewcell button action

2009-06-30 Thread Brian Slick
One more question about this approach... On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:08 PM, mmalc Crawford wrote: In the cell's nib file: The class of the File's Owner should be your table view controller class. Set an identifier for the cell. Connect the appropriate outlet from File's Owner to t

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Stephen J. Butler
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Ross Carter wrote: > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Quincey Morris wrote: >> (b) Can you reproduce the problem locally? (That is, are you in a position >> to try changes and see if the problem goes away?) > > No, I have never seen it happen. So this is a bug that hap

Re: NSRuleEditor

2009-06-30 Thread Loukas Kalenderidis
Thanks Ashley. I've had a bit of a look at that code and it looks pretty useful but I ADD'd off to another part of the app so I'll come back to it soon :D I'll file the bug too. Cheers, Loukas On 29/06/2009, at 5:09 PM, Ashley Clark wrote: On Jun 28, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Loukas Kalenderidis w

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
> > On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Trygve Inda wrote: > >> NSString* myDateFormat = @"%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"; >> NSDate*myDate = nil; >> // myDateString is "Tue Jun 30 15:53:24 UTC 2009" >> myFormatter = [[NSDateFormatter alloc] >> initWithDateFormat:imageDateFormat >> allowNaturalLa

Dynamic Services menu, CM plug-in alternatives

2009-06-30 Thread Dragan Milić
Hello everyone, I'd firstly like just to mention that I'm not a premium ADC member and I've had the bare bones Snow Leopard 10A380 build (passed as a asset from a fellow developer, who is a premium member), without any new developer tools or documentation,... So I don't have full insight in

Singleton Entities?

2009-06-30 Thread Daniel DeCovnick
Hi all, I've got a list of settings which are application-level, but are part of the data my application manipulates. Based on this, I figured I should keep these settings in a Core Data Entity (which I'm using for the rest of my data) instead of the User Defaults. However, they are most

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
> NSString* myDateFormat = @"%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"; > NSDate*myDate = nil; > > // myDateString is "Tue Jun 30 15:53:24 UTC 2009" > > myFormatter = [[NSDateFormatter alloc] initWithDateFormat:imageDateFormat > allowNaturalLanguage:NO]; > > myDate = [myFormatter dateFromString:myDa

Re: NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread mmalc Crawford
On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Trygve Inda wrote: NSString* myDateFormat = @"%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"; NSDate*myDate = nil; // myDateString is "Tue Jun 30 15:53:24 UTC 2009" myFormatter = [[NSDateFormatter alloc] initWithDateFormat:imageDateFormat allowNaturalLanguage:NO]; myDate

NSDateFormatter Breaks on non-English OS

2009-06-30 Thread Trygve Inda
NSString* myDateFormat = @"%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"; NSDate*myDate = nil; // myDateString is "Tue Jun 30 15:53:24 UTC 2009" myFormatter = [[NSDateFormatter alloc] initWithDateFormat:imageDateFormat allowNaturalLanguage:NO]; myDate = [myFormatter dateFromString:myDateString]; This

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Quincey Morris
Well, still tooling around waiting for someone who knows something to jump in ... I can think of two easy things you can try, if it's possible to get a test build to users who are seeing problems. 1. Just before some of the places where the crashes occur, log the address of the object you

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Ross Carter
On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Quincey Morris wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:34, Ross Carter wrote: I am receiving crash reports for code that enumerates an array returned by NSFontManager. The app is garbage-collected. Chances are someone will recognize the exact problem and jump in with a

Re: Clarification of NSPredicate constraints for Core Data SQL store

2009-06-30 Thread Melissa J. Turner
On Jun 30, 2009, at 09:44, Barry Wark wrote: In the "Constraints and Limitations" section of the Predicate Programming Guide (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/Predicates/Articles/pBasics.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001792-249799 ), the second bullet states than only

Re: GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Quincey Morris
On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:34, Ross Carter wrote: I am receiving crash reports for code that enumerates an array returned by NSFontManager. The app is garbage-collected. Chances are someone will recognize the exact problem and jump in with an explanation, but in case not: (a) Can you post bac

Re: NSBitMapRepresentation --> JPEG compression?

2009-06-30 Thread Marco S Hyman
Thanks for the exiftool pointer - very nice utility. There is indeed about 2KB of extra Header info in the Apple JPEG - mostly ICC profile info. There is also some subsampling differences as the Apple default is using 4:2:0 and Adobe is using 4:4:4 which may play a factor in quality. 2KB?

GC bug in NSFontManager?

2009-06-30 Thread Ross Carter
I am receiving crash reports for code that enumerates an array returned by NSFontManager. The app is garbage-collected. The crashes occur at various places in my code, but always while I am enumerating a NSFontManager array. Here is the code for one group of crashes, with the crash points m

Re: Two threads, two managed object contexts. Do I need locking?

2009-06-30 Thread Michael Greiner
Yes, that's the only time I access the persistent store coordinator. And I'll definitely check out the debug libraries. Thanks for your response Adam! Regards, Mike Thank you Adam. I appreciate the response. I'll definitely c On Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at 04:32AM, "Adam Swift" wrote: > >On Ju

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread Kirk Kerekes
An alternative to the other ideas presented previously: Read up on NSAttributedString. Use NSTextAttachment to attach your image to an NSAttributedString, and then use -setAttributedStringValue to set the string in your NSTextField. This has worked nicely for me with the cells in NSTableVie

Re: NSBitMapRepresentation --> JPEG compression?

2009-06-30 Thread Chris Tracewell
Steven, Thanks for the link very nice info. Rob, Thanks - that is a huge help to get going with file meta data manipulation! ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the l

Clarification of NSPredicate constraints for Core Data SQL store

2009-06-30 Thread Barry Wark
In the "Constraints and Limitations" section of the Predicate Programming Guide (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/Predicates/Articles/pBasics.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001792-249799), the second bullet states than only one operator (ALL, IN, ANY) and only one instance of

Re: NSObjectController, content outlet and content object question

2009-06-30 Thread Kevin Cathey
Michael, In IB, Bind the textField's and Slider's values to the model Key Path "selection.number". What are you binding to here? The object controller? Connect the NSOjectController's outlet ( cntrl-drag to foo). You have an outlet on "Foo" for the Object Controller? Another question, for

Re: NSBitMapRepresentation --> JPEG compression?

2009-06-30 Thread Chris Tracewell
Marco, Thanks for the exiftool pointer - very nice utility. There is indeed about 2KB of extra Header info in the Apple JPEG - mostly ICC profile info. There is also some subsampling differences as the Apple default is using 4:2:0 and Adobe is using 4:4:4 which may play a factor in qualit

Re: Raw Infrared Data

2009-06-30 Thread John C. Randolph
On Jun 30, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Mr. Gecko wrote: Is there anyway to get raw Infrared data from the Apple IR Controller? AFAIK, there's no published API for that, but could take a look through the classes in the Kernel Framework documentation and see if I'm mistaken. If not, you should cont

Re: localisation of contents in main menu

2009-06-30 Thread mmalc Crawford
On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Rajendran P wrote: I have an application, which uses default menu Items like "Find , cut , copy etc" . when i create a Japanese nib by using "Add Localisation" from Xcode , only "undo and Redo " are geting localized.All other menu items are still in Eng

Re: multitouch trackpad on macbook pro

2009-06-30 Thread mmalc Crawford
On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Memo Akten wrote: i was wondering if it is at all possible to receive the multi-touch data on the trackpads of the recent macbook pros? Now that the WWDC videos are available, it may be worth watching

Re: Window not displaying

2009-06-30 Thread Nick Zitzmann
On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:13 AM, rethish wrote: When I use the makeKeyAndOrderFront: method in a action method of a NSButton , new window is displayed. But I used the same method in a void function and when its called ,the window is not displayed. Why is it so? Are you sure the window object h

Re: multitouch trackpad on macbook pro

2009-06-30 Thread Mike Abdullah
There is no public API on Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Please file a bug report asking for it in a future release. On 30 Jun 2009, at 11:33, Memo Akten wrote: Hi All, i was wondering if it is at all possible to receive the multi-touch data on the trackpads of the recent macbook pros? Cheers, Me

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread Mike Abdullah
Three easy options: A) Use an NSImageView for the image if there is one, and a text field for the question. B) Format your questions as RTFD documents, include them in your bundle's resources, and display in an NSTextView. C) Format your questions as HTML, include them in your bundle's

Raw Infrared Data

2009-06-30 Thread Mr. Gecko
Is there anyway to get raw Infrared data from the Apple IR Controller? I'll like to be able to see data from remotes that are not the Apple Remote and also see the raw data of the apple remote so I could make a generic game controller or something like that. Thanks for tips/samples. Mr. Gec

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread Malte Philipp A.
I.S., Wagner, Graham, thanks a lot for your quick answers! I'll tinker around with the NSTextView as a learning experience but I think your suggestion to use a separate NSImageView is really the most elegant way to go here! Again, thanks for your quick and helpful answers! -Philipp __

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread Graham Cox
On 30/06/2009, at 10:51 PM, malte.phil...@mac.com wrote: I initially thought that I could just have two NSTextFields, one for the question, one for the answer, however the problem with that is that some of the questions and answers actually include little images and I've been struggling fo

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread WT
On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:51 PM, malte.phil...@mac.com wrote: Hello *, I am currently trying to write a program that does the following: - Has a bunch of questions/answers stored internally - displays a random question in one area of the GUI and hides the answer to that question in another area o

Re: [Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread I. Savant
On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:51 AM, malte.phil...@mac.com wrote: I initially thought that I could just have two NSTextFields, one for the question, one for the answer, however the problem with that is that some of the questions and answers actually include little images and I've been struggling fo

localisation of contents in main menu

2009-06-30 Thread Rajendran P
hi all, I have an application, which uses default menu Items like "Find , cut , copy etc" . when i create a Japanese nib by using "Add Localisation" from Xcode , only "undo and Redo " are geting localized.All other menu items are still in English.any idea on how to completely localise t

[Newbie] Displaying an NSImage inside an NSTextField?

2009-06-30 Thread malte . philipp
Hello *, I am currently trying to write a program that does the following: - Has a bunch of questions/answers stored internally - displays a random question in one area of the GUI and hides the answer to that question in another area of the GUI - displays the answer when you click "show answer

Window not displaying

2009-06-30 Thread rethish
Hi, When I use the makeKeyAndOrderFront: method in a action method of a NSButton , new window is displayed. But I used the same method in a void function and when its called ,the window is not displayed. Why is it so? Thank you in advance. ___ Cocoa-

Re: NSTableView -setDataCell confusion

2009-06-30 Thread Andreas Mayer
Am 30.06.2009 um 01:09 Uhr schrieb Raleigh Ledet: a) Give up on the animation. Then you can use the same cell for the entire column. Each row will return the correct value that the progress indicator should draw. Be sure to invalidate the row/column as the value changes to redraw the cell

Re: NSTableView -setDataCell confusion

2009-06-30 Thread Andreas Mayer
Am 27.06.2009 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb Chase Meadors: I'm using AMIndeterminateProgressIndicatorCell (at least the drawing code) to imitate a progress indicator in the table view. To get it to use the custom cell, I've been calling [myTableColumn setDataCell:[[MyCustomClass alloc] init]]; How

multitouch trackpad on macbook pro

2009-06-30 Thread Memo Akten
Hi All, i was wondering if it is at all possible to receive the multi- touch data on the trackpads of the recent macbook pros? Cheers, Memo. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator commen

Re: NSBitMapRepresentation --> JPEG compression?

2009-06-30 Thread Rob Keniger
On 30/06/2009, at 4:24 PM, Marco S Hyman wrote: If you can't figure out how to do it in your app take a look at jhead. Your app could call "jhead -se -purejpg " to do the job for you. This blog post may also be useful: http://caffeinatedcocoa.com/blog/?p=7 -- Rob Keniger _

Re[6]: NSApp problem outside of bundle

2009-06-30 Thread Peter Mulholland
Hello Michael, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 3:34:31 AM, you wrote: > What, that the free help doesn't feel like helping you implement a > proprietary DRM scheme makes it impossible to develop games on OS X? > You're free to develop whatever scheme you wish. Expecting people to > help you with it even

Possible to have a UITextView one line high? Having trouble

2009-06-30 Thread Steve Fogel
Hi, all... I'm trying to use a text view instead of a text field to allow my user to enter a phone number. Reason: I want to format the phone number as the user types, just like the Contacts app, and I want to be able to position the cursor as the user edits. Can't position the cursor with

Re: NSBitMapRepresentation --> JPEG compression?

2009-06-30 Thread Steven Spencer
Slight smoothing can be applied to an image to get a smaller JPEG file size. Google search : jpeg compression smoothing http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/jpeg-compression.html ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post