Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package

2010-04-06 Thread Rivera, Rafael
I'm new to the conversation, so I don't have quoted material -- apologies. *Program Files\ hosting* Starting with Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008, we have virtualization that silently takes over and redirects (for appcompat reasons) writes to the caller's virtual application store. With W

[Coapp-developers] CoApp Wiki outage

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
Just an FYI. The CoApp wiki will be going down on Wednesday afternoon, and be out probably until Saturdayish. (we're moving the lab, where it's currently hosted, and I haven't got the VM moved to a hosting facility yet (not ready!) I'll probably just put up an FYI "We're moving" page for a coup

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
ES>> I dunno - some things unix doesn't get right in my opinion. Any reason not do to / - so you have wordpress with your 15 million versions inside named wordpress-1.5 and wordpress-2.0 etc etc etc. Well, the only reason I can think of, is that in the spec currently, for include/doc/resources

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
>> I don't think it's really a "web library" if you have to edit it. Good Point. >> maybe we just need to always put the neutral stuff in just plain program >> files sigh Me too... *sigh* The other choice is to make another [\Program Files (any)] to go along with [\Program Files (x86)] an

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Elizabeth M Smith
On 4/6/2010 4:00 PM, Garrett Serack wrote: ES>> Except then you run into things that AREN'T web apps being written in a web language using a library. ES>> PHP-GTK and PyGTK scripts, pyrus/pear packaging code, phpunit test suites ES>> - they all want to use libraries that aren't necessarily con

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
ES>> Except then you run into things that AREN'T web apps being written in a web language using a library. ES>> PHP-GTK and PyGTK scripts, pyrus/pear packaging code, phpunit test suites ES>> - they all want to use libraries that aren't necessarily confined to web space. TD>> For libraries, shoul

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Trevor Dennis
That's strange. It's much easier and quicker to read a person's reply right at the top of the message instead of scrolling all the way down through the 15 pages of conversation to get the new piece. Especially when you get on a mobile phone. It's only bad when you're new to an old conversatio

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Elizabeth M Smith
On 4/6/2010 2:23 PM, Garrett Serack wrote: Bottom Poster!???!! Arg! I preferred bottom-posting, but in my world, it's just not done. Heh - in the open source world you get your head taken off for it (sigh) >> $base_web_location/// ...\applications\\ or ... \applications \\\? Pa

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
Bottom Poster!???!! Arg! I preferred bottom-posting, but in my world, it's just not done. >> $base_web_location/// ...\applications\\ or ... \applications \\\? Package-version as the dir name is a bit more traditional, I think. >> As to the last issue - the idea of "useful scripts"

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Elizabeth M Smith
On 4/6/2010 1:52 PM, Trevor Dennis wrote: Yeah,  I see what you mean about the data directories and config files.  If the web apps wanted to follow any type of standard, they would have used /etc or /usr/local/etc on UNIX boxes too. I like your last approach then with \inetpub\applications\

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
>> Though, would we need "applications" Well, that's a good question. On one hand, Microsoft f'd up by putting wwwroot in inetpub as if there was only ever going to be one virtual root. So, let's imagine what would have been a smarter idea: inetpub ├───applications │ ├───CoApp │ │ ├───Gal

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Trevor Dennis
Yeah, I see what you mean about the data directories and config files. If the web apps wanted to follow any type of standard, they would have used /etc or /usr/local/etc on UNIX boxes too. I like your last approach then with \inetpub\applications\vendor\app. Though, would we need "applications"

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
Arg. I see both sides of this. And I agree strongly with what you are saying. (Although using Microsoft for a pattern of behavior is not always wise :D ) The odd duck out is (a lot) of PHP apps require some writable permissions in their app directory. Hang on, even some ASP.NET apps store data i

Re: [Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Trevor Dennis
Hi, I think I'd still prefer them to be under Program Files if possible. Windows admins expect applications to be in a standard place and I don't think they care too much if it's a windows app vs web app. Microsoft places all their web apps under Program Files unless the user chooses otherwise. E

[Coapp-developers] Another kind of package.

2010-04-06 Thread Garrett Serack
In the blueprints (http://coapp.org/Blueprints/Packages), I've outlined six types of packages: Applications & Services (PHP, Apache, Gimp, Open Office) System tools & shared utilities (awk, grep, etc) Libraries (static libs) Shared Libraries (DLLs) Plugins (PHP extensions, Apache Modules, browse