Stus-List Re: Batteries again

2022-06-01 Thread Riley Anderson via CnC-List
Paul makes some good points but I want to remind everyone that there is no such thing as a drop in replacement lithium battery for boats. Accommodations must be made on the charge side. Charge profiles need to be 3 stage and specific to lithium chemistries. Also, you can do serious damage to your a

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2022-06-01 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
On paper the VMAX batteries look very good -actually a lot better than very good. I would be pretty surprised if they can actually do what they claim, but I don’t know that they don’t. This brings up the main issue with these batteries, many of them get quite erratic reviews. You might get a goo

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2022-06-01 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Thank you for outing the hack, sometimes it is hard to know who to believe when something (like this) is not your area of expertise. I just found this on my Balmar regulator instructions, which gives me pause . .. LFP LiFeP04 Recommendations Our LFP program is a generalized version of the

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2022-06-01 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
This is exactly why if I go lithium, the charging will work as follows: Alternator > Start Battery > DC-DC Charger > Lithium Battery. I also have the temp sensor on the alternator, which should help keep it from being roasted. That still doesn’t help with the issue of the BMS opening. Joe D

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2022-06-01 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
I don't know Prowse, but would hardly call him a hack. He has reviewed batteries and found that the advertised specs were not true and has exposed shoddy construction. He's not an engineer, but never claimed to be. He's just another free resource out there in the wild. My 2 cents Joel On Wed,

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2022-06-01 Thread Matthew via CnC-List
It sounds like you need to do a complete re-fit – batteries, charger, alternator – and not simply swap batteries. From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 9:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again Thank you for outing the hack

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2022-06-01 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List
For safer storage of lead/acid batteries onboard mine are in leak proof battery boxes which are held in place with straps attached to solid support On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:48 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Pretty much that. If you don’t mind having wet batter

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2022-06-01 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
That is as it should be. Long story with the hurricane, but a battery box had cracked, I hadn’t got a replacement for it yet, and trying to get upwind and upcurrent in a hurricane was not only futile, it was enough of a beating to crack the battery and crack the case more. The stinky acid soluti

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2022-06-01 Thread Matthew via CnC-List
I’d have to experience a roll-through to be concerned about battery movement on my boat. From: dwight veinot via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 10:33 AM To: Stus-List Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Batteries again For safer storage of lead/acid batte

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2022-06-01 Thread Kevin Wright via CnC-List
Hi All, Just to throw another idea out there. I've just bought a Bluette AC2000p and plan on hooking up my 4 100w solar panels directly to it. then using a Blue Sea Systems AC Rotary Switch "Off + Shore Power + Generator Positions" to wire it to my AC panel. The Bluetti has a built-in charge contro

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2022-06-01 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
Thanks all--and to paraphrase Joe's remarks, this is exactly why I will never go lithium on Water Phantom. My boat use is for pleasure, not live aboard or extended cruising. Keeping up with even the simplest systems, when there are many of them, is enough engagement for me with the intricacies o

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2022-06-01 Thread Matthew via CnC-List
FWIW, I periodically revisit this issue as technologies improve, and so far I have reached the same conclusion as Charlie. For how I use my boat, my old-fashioned lead acid battery system is good enough. From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 11:15 AM To: cnc-list

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2022-06-01 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Which I believe is code… Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: dwight veinot via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 10:33:25 AM To: Stus-List Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Batteries again For safer storage of

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2022-06-01 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
While on the topic of wiring alternators to batteries, Balmar has a “new” alternator protection module. Worth $70? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > This is exactly why if I go lithium, the charging will work as follows: > Altern

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2022-06-01 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
It might be. I have the cheap version that is a $2 Zener diode across the alternator. They do help, but any sustained overvoltage will burn them up – literally. Given how much a Balmar alternator costs, I might get one of these, especially if I was trying to directly charge a lithium bank. They

Stus-List Bluetti Portable Power Station

2022-06-01 Thread Kevin Wright via CnC-List
Hi All, Just to throw another idea out there. I've just bought a Bluetti AC2000p and plan on hooking up my 4 100w solar panels directly to it. then using a Blue Sea Systems AC Rotary Switch "Off + Shore Power + Generator Positions" to wire it to my AC panel. The Bluetti has a built-in charge contro