Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion

I stand corrected (and better informed). I was only thinking of meeting situations in harbors / channels which is where I usually run into (not literally) paddle boarders and kayakers. In open waters it makes perfect sense that they would have right of way. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOU

Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Which gear is recommended (forward or reverse) while sailing? When the transmission is in forward I can feel the shaft turning while sailing. When it is in reverse I don't feel it. Which is preferred? Sent from my iPad ___ This list is supported by th

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Okay, now I understand. I apparently have more overlap in my windows, so the width of the tape was no problem. I did bevel the edge of the Plexiglas with a 45 degree router, to give more room for the Dow Corning 795, however. Gary S/V Kaylarah ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:09 PM,

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

The answer may depend on what make of transmission you have, but my Hurth transmission recommends reverse. If your prop is spinning in forward, I would suggest that is not good. I would recommend reverse. Some transmission, I'm told, have the oil pump on the input shaft, so there is no lubricati

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I suggest that row boats ate power vessels where the "vessel propelled by machinery" is oars. Then rule 18 becomes quite clear. Regardless, rule 18 is likely to apply as a paddle boarder is likely in an area of shallow water where navigation is limited by draught. Sent from my Samsung de

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Also may need to consult inland waterways rules as there are further restrictions. These rules apply in harbours etc where paddle boards are more likely to be found Www.navecenuscg.gov/pdf/naverules/naverules.pdf are the US ones. Canada has them as well but can't find them at the moment.

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The problem in my local area is kayak and SUP rentals, where the renters of the kayaks are completely oblivious to any rules, or their immediate surroundings. I can be motoring in my dinghy in the same direction as a pack of them and they will suddenly, and sharply, veer directly across my bow

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Most of us sailing out of the city refer to kayaks as "speed bumps". All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile

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Thx - I'll look for that and clean it Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2016-06-07 8:44 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote: Your description has me 90% certain

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Jonathan, While what you say may be true, it is also true that a slow moving (manually propelled) vessel would have a very hard time getting out of the way of a faster vessel. It's sort of like a pedestrian in a crosswalk.😁 Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C&C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~~

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Mine recommends reverse but also says the transmission will be damaged if left in forward. Not sure why. Dave On Jun 8, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote: > > The answer may depend on what make of transmission you have, but my Hurth > transmission recommends reverse. If yo

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As far as I know, speed of vessel plays no part in determining ROW. If it did, a power boat with a displacement hull would be able to claim ROW over one with a planning hull. Maritime attorneys may argue over "restricted in manouverabity" but I think it would be safe to say that if the ro

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

The Kanazaki tranni on my Yanmar 2QM* will spin in forward, so reverse is the best choice. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 03:36 AM 08/06/2016, you wrote: Which gear is recommended (forward or reverse) while sailing? When the transmission is in forward I can feel the shaft tur

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Aside from drag, I don't see what harm having it is neutral could do to the mechanical systems. That said, if I recall correctly, the MarTec prop folks suggest putting it in reverse temporarily to rotate the prop blades into a neutral position...but that could just be something I imagined. Tom

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Kanzaki recommends neutral for a fixed prop, neutral or reverse for a fixed/folding prop. If you have a folding/feathering prop, shifting into reverse for a few seconds causes the prop to fold or feather. Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wr

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

It depends on your transmission and engine. Yanmar had a bulletin a while back for their engines with Kanzaki transmissions stating that they should always be in neutral when sailing. Damage or wear to the transmission would occur otherwise. Cheers, Paul. > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 06:36:50 -040

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On my C&C33ii with Martec folding prop, I pop it into reverse for a second and it will stop rotating. Then I shift to neutral and it does not rotate. Mike Amirault C&C33ii Lovely Cruise SMSC NS___ This list is supported by the generous donations of ou

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Yes, I found the bulletin several years ago. Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Can anybody verify this? > > > > We have a Kanzaki KM3P transmission on our Yanmar 3GM30F. We always have > in reverse while sailing. > > > > It would be

Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Can anybody verify this? We have a Kanzaki KM3P transmission on our Yanmar 3GM30F. We always have in reverse while sailing. It would be very good to know if this is a roblem! Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Advisory Number: MSA08-003: DATE February 8, 2008 Dealers and OEMs TO: All Marine Distributors SUBJECT: Gear in Neutral While Sailing All MODELS: All Sailboat Engines We continue to get questions regarding the correct gear position while sailing with the engine OFF. This advisory is issued as a

Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion

My wife has a 12' SUP that we use regularly. I can turn 90 degrees and move away in a few paddle strokes and a few seconds - with a dog on the front. I agree a big part of the problem is your average SUP'er, jet skier, wave runner rider, speedboat driver, or party barge renter doesn't know crap

Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Seems to be two opinions on this.one is 'neutral' and the other is in 'reverse'. If mine is in 'neutral' the fixed two blade prop spins and I can hear it..obviously the spinning of the prop causes the gears in the transmission to spin. Since these gears are immersed in oil, there sho

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

If you have a feathering prop, you have to put it in reverse in order to feather the prop. Once it's feathered, the shaft will stop rotating. Even without a feathering prop, you don't want the shaft turning when the engine isn't running. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR O

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Hi All, Have seen question pop up a few times. Does anyone know the "why" involved in Yanmar's recommendation of neutral? My thoughts, having had to disassemble and deglaze the cones on my Kanzaki 'box: - If in neutral and the shaft is rotating you wear bearings, stuffing box, shaft, but you do

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Don’t lose sight of the fact that “restricted in the ability to maneuver” is because of the WORK that is being done. So if the rowboat is not dredging, laying cable, or any of the other activities defined in rule 3 it could not be considered restricted. Rule 2 says he needs to not hit you, a

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I have a friend who writes and gives Connecticut SafeBoating classes - needed for operating boats in CT. Just asked him as to the pecking order of manually propelled vessels. He replied that they are treated as sailing vessels. Which is fine provided that the meeting is between a power vessel a

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BTW, exactly how do you spell the word/term pronounced “doo-fuss”? I guess the question is sailing related because the older I get, and the more recreational boaters I come in contact with, my use of that term and my awareness of the Equine Paradox just get greater and greater. Rick Brass

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From Urban Dictionary: dufus dummy, fool, idiot OR doofus <> Someone who hasn't got a clue! They live in blissful ignorance of the world, fashion, personal hygi

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

Are you sure? I talked to Trans Atlantic Diesels (who sells Hurth transmissions) last year and they told me Hurth transmissions should not be left in reverse while sailing. I told them the prop spins in neutral, and they replied the prop should be allowed to freewheel in neutral, and not sailed in

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I love the things one can learn from this list! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Frederick G Street Sent: Wed, Jun

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

How can a transmission in reverse (gears not turning) cause wear? I'm dumb-founded. Gary S/V Kaylarah ~~~_/)~~ On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Advisory Number: MSA08-003: > > DATE February 8, 2008 Dealers and OEMs > TO: All M

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My Universal diesel manual for Hurth HBW tranny says freewheeling won't hurt the tranny. It is moot on whether to lock it. >From marinedieseldirect.com for Hurth trannies: "DO NOT LEAVE GEAR IN FORWARD WHEN SAILING. GEAR MUST BE IN NEUTRAL FOR FREE WHEELING OR SHIFTED INTO REVERSE TO LOCK PROPEL

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Dave, Using your argument, then reverse with a folding prop should not be a problem. Gary S/V Kaylarah ~~~_/)~~ On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Dave Syer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Have seen question pop up a few times. Does anyone know the "why"

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

The point is that the engine and any gears in the transmission are not turning, but the prop shaft will be rotating in the forward direction. So the clutch plate that transmits power to the prop shaft will be turning, with very light pressure between the drive plate and the clutch surface (which

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing? Confusion reigns...

I thought I was following all this but now I'm confused; in regards to the Kanzaki, (which I have), if the Yanmar instruction is to have the gear in neutral; isn't that allowing the shaft to spin and cause the very problem Rick points out? (I have left the emails below which include the Yanma

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I don't see how leaving the transmission in gear can hurt, provided that the shaft does not turn, unless the clutches are somehow prone to getting stuck. Perhaps that is something that could happen on a long passage? It always seemed to me that free wheeling was just unnecessary wear and tear,

Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing? Confusion reigns...

If the shaft is spinning and it is in neutral then the cone is not engaged and is not wearing. Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I thought I was following all this but now I'm confused; in regards to the > Kanzaki, (which I have),

Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion

It seems to me that there are a number of people on this list who don't know the rules. Perhaps it's time to read Chapman's "Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling". The pecking order is: rowboats (including kayaks, canoes, paddle boards), sailboats, powerboats. Then there are exceptions:

Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?

I haven't seen my response to this thread, so here it is again: A transmission has to be put in reverse for a feathering prop to feather. Then leave it in reverse. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.c

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The Colregs do not include rowboats, kayaks, canoes and paddleboards in the pecking order, which means they have no specific priority over other vessels. There was a time, when seaplanes were not included either. Seaplanes were obligated to avoid interfering with any other vessel. Swimmers, lik

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Bill, You are correct that they are not mentioned, but they are still vessels: (a) The word “vessel” includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft, WIG craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. Are they "powered" by padd

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They are not part of the pecking order, and I do not believe human-powered mechanisms count as "propelled by machinery" anywhere in the colregs. The rig on a sailboat is also machinery in that sense. It's not a winning argument. Dictionary definitions have no bearing on definitions in the colre

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Gary, I believe the list has addressed this before but I'll throw it out there again. A freewheeling prop has less resistance than a fixed one. There are a few assumptions being make in that statement. *Fixed blade prop *No shaft driven generator/alternator. The navy does it regularly. As a th

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The prop shaft generators were fairly popular in the last century (when I learned to sail) Marek From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 13:24 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Transmission in forward or reverse while I don't see how leaving the

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Manual propelled vessels and swimmers don't have to be listed in the colregs in order for them to qualify as privileged. Common sense tells me that when approaching them in a sail or power boat, they are privileged and I am burdened. Alan Bergen On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Bill Bina - gmail

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Common sense and government regulation? 😀 Yeah, we all know to avoid killing swimmers and paddleboarders​, but not because the regs tell us that. Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Manual propelled vessels and swimmers don't have to

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For a folding prop, you do have to stop the shaft in order for it to fold. You also have to center it (blades in the horizontal position) for both of them to fold. With feathering props, you shift into reverse, the shaft turns and the prop feathers. Alan Bergen On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, J

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I completely agree that you should do your best not to hit them, but the colregs do not recognize common sense as a legal justification for anything. That is true of most of law, on land as well as on sea. You are obligated to do as the law says, not as you feel about what it says. When someone

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I used to have a Martec. I always moved the shaft to the horizontal prop position to assure the blades both folded, or one could end up with a ‘hanging blade’ and you know how much that means! Now I have a Flex with gears – it folds in any position, and I doubt that it must be stopped, as th

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I took all the coast guard and power squadron courses and learned all the regs and rules and horn signals and flag signals and right o way stuff. What I learned from 35 years of observation is; nobody uses horn signals or flag signals and lawyers have the right of way, so never invoke right of w

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Tom, I put mine in reverse to stop the prop, then position the shaft so the blades are folded. Then I put it back into reverse to lock them in place. It's easy, especially if you mark the shaft position when the boat is out of the water. Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress" Ha