Stus-List Mixed batteries/alternators

Thanks to everyone who chimed in about these issues--a good example of the expertise on this list and your willingness to share it! It's also an illustration of the adage "...be careful what you wish for". There are so many ways to address my mixed battery issue that my head is about to explode

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…and that price is….? All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 6, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: > And i

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And if anyone’s interested, I’ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I’d sell you for a very reasonable price. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: > I was too busy with

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I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so here is the Blue Sea version. http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png This is basically what I have. Blue Sea makes a number of battery management

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On rereading the rant, I disagree with one point: The ranter attempts to score a point by noting that the EchoCharge never stops providing charge current to the auxiliary battery. That voltage is about 13.0 volts, a perfectly sustainable long-term charge voltage and a very useful one as it then

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His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on how to build a house. Rich On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like

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Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" so he probably has a point. You wrote: The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really

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-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've converted to this system have never been stuck for power to s

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:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:20 PM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all batteries get due attentio

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stallation, plus rewiring, plus > some additional incidental costs in order to save a $100 battery or two. > > Btw 2. I bet that a few of our (C&C List’s) electrical experts would have to > say a word or two on the subject. > > Marek (in Ottawa). > > From: Edd Schil

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t; Dziedzic via CnC-List > Sent: May 5, 2014 2:02 PM > To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > > Edd, > > I don’t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this > would be off topic), but starting from the

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; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be >>>>>>> charging that weak battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is >>>>>>> nearly dead, the other would not start the engine, either, but instead >>>>>>>

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;>>>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into “main” and “spare”. Many >>>>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>>>> system this way, you start on the “main”, it gets charged by the >>>>> al

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primeinter...@gmail.com www.primeinterest.blogspot.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries Rich, I think I get it n

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>>>>> system this way, you start on the “main”, it gets charged by the >>>>> alternator and the echo charger maintains the “spare”. >>>>> >>>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>>>

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Edd, I just added an automatic charging relay (available in this kit http://www.bluesea.com/products/7650/Add-A-Battery_Kit_-_120A) to replace the two separate banks that I had previously (2 x 27 deep cycle / 1 x 24). This is similar to the echo charge. Rewiring wasn't too complicated as the pos

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lternator and the echo charger maintains the “spare”. >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge the >>>> “main” battery first and then charge

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on the “main”, it gets charged by the >>>> alternator and the echo charger maintains the “spare”. >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to

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“spare” (mine has a selectable >>> 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>> >>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail’s articles on that >>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>>

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n be setup to charge the >>> “main” battery first and then charge the “spare” (mine has a selectable >>> 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>> >>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail’s articles on that >>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site

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;> >>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail’s articles on that >>> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>> >>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>> >>> PS. Would “may th

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nterested, you can check some of Main Sail’s articles on that >> topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >> >> Marek (in Ottawa) >> >> PS. Would “may the Force (May the 4th) be with you” apply, even if it

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.@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: May 5, 2014 2:02 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries Edd, I don't want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL po

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, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries Marek, Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up parallel to one of them. That starter battery tu

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Here's the manual. if that's too long for your email Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? ___

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t is mixing the references... > > From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > > Rich, > > Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27

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: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries Rich, Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). When I want to

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om > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Richwrote: > > I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such > > as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery > > charged. > >

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Thanks. Bruno Lachance Becassine 33 mk II 87 Qc. > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:17:01 + > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Richwrote: > > I feed the alternator directly to the h

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Rich Please e mail schematic. Thanks Frank LF 38 Annapolis Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List > wrote: > > The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of > view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else

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Richwrote: I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. That's how I wired mine. It works fine with both the alternator and battery charger. Wal -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com

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Rich, Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing

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Also: the AC charger, and any other charging devices such as wind or solar, are connected to the house bank in the same manner as the alternator, and will charge all batteries as needed. Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 11:38, Rich Knowles via CnC-List > wrote: > > The best method I have found an

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I would just charge the wet cell as an AGM - very similar parameters anyway. It won’t live as long but it’s not exactly the biggest investment you’ll ever make. On the AGM, look for one labeled “dual purpose”. These are designed for the life and cycles of a deep discharge but offer near the C

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The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the alterna

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Charlie, You would need both a smart charger and a smart regulator. Stick to one kind. You can buy a lot of batteries for the price of all that! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, via CnC-List wrote: > In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my > e

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@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mixed batteries In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realiz

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mp;C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mixed batteries In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine

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In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge 40 wants all the batteri