Stus-List Stus list backstay adjuster

2014-10-08 Thread Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
The split backstay is a tried and true, very effective solution.We have an OEM Split backstay on our 36 ft 34+ and it has no problem leaning back the 52ft double spreader telephone pole of a masthead rig we have. We checked it and it moves the mast head a good 4-6 inches. The setup has 2 triple b

Re: Stus-List 2015 Northeast Rendezvous Dates Question

2014-10-08 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Kirk, Leaning heavily to Sept 11-13. Stay tuned. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile -

Re: Stus-List 2015 Northeast Rendezvous Dates Question

2014-10-08 Thread kirk sneddon via CnC-List
Ed, Typically do the Vineyard race as crew on Labor Day weekend. Don't know if any other folks do the race with the exception of a few C&Cs I saw at the line and on the course. Kirk Sneddon C&C 29 Mk II Flying Cloud From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jo

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
ok, the sailtec unit seems like a good choice, cheaper than the Harken and i think the lenght should allow a direct replacement for my old navtec. The harken is way longer and the backstay would have to be shorten, an other 250$ at southshore and a lot of trouble... No thanks. I think the power

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread davidrisch75 via CnC-List
Part two. Never been better. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: davidrisch75 via CnC-List Date:10/08/2014 7:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Ron Casciato , 'Martin DeYoung' , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster Had Nav

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread davidrisch75 via CnC-List
Had Navtech local shop rebuild for 500 twice withim 12 months. Never again. Went to truck hydraulic shop for 80 bucks Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List Date:10/08/2014 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Martin DeYoung

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Ron Casciato via CnC-List
Another vote for Sailtec from me...replaced my 1977'vintage Navtec 2 years ago...repaired the Navtec 3 times at about $600 each. Barely paid more than that for the new Sailtec and it has worked nicely. Split backstay rigs work nicely on smaller boats with flexible maststhink S27.9 e.g. but fo

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread John Pennie via CnC-List
I agree, the cascading tackle is a viable option but somehow I always think of them on sport boats with very bendy masts in moderate conditions. Probably silly but that is what comes to mind. Not sure I would trust a cam cleat but again, that’s my own phobia. Personally I would just put a

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread John Pennie via CnC-List
I agree, the cascading tackle is a viable option but somehow I always think of them on sport boats with very bendy masts in moderate conditions. Probably silly but that is what comes to mind. Not sure I would trust a cam cleat but again, that’s my own phobia. Personally I would just put a

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Charles Nelson via CnC-List
My Navtec hydraulic back stay adjuster started leaking/slipping a few years ago after ~ 17 yrs of reliable operation. In the farming area of eastern NC where I live, there are many hydraulic shops since just about every farm implement uses hydraulic pistons--often many on the same tractor. All

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Michael Clow via CnC-List
Another major benefit to a block and tackle setup on a split back stay is that anyone can look aft and get a good idea of how much backstay tension is on the rig. We periodically forget during short handed W/L races. Michael Clow Desire, C&C 32, Lake St. Clair

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2014-10-08 Thread Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
Ditto on the sailtec. Good Wisconsin company. 7 yrs and no issues for me. Of course I take it off every fall and store inside for the winter. Good idea of Harken pumping both ways.if you're into that. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
I'm happy with my hydraulic setup. I think I got pretty good service out of the Navtec units, and the failures were slight leaks, not catastrophes. I do think the cascading tackle is viable with high tech line and blocks / rings led to a manual cam cleat (not winch). This is very much a new s

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
I also recommend Sailtec. Calypso has had Sailtec backstay and baby stay hydraulic cylinders for over 20 years. I recently had new seals put in the backstay by the local (Seattle area) guy recommended by Sailtec. It cost $400 and should keep the backstay adjuster in business for the next 10 y

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread John Pennie via CnC-List
I’ve heard so many bad stories about hydraulic backstay adjusters that I don’t doubt them. Having said that I never had a problem with one on three boats over 15 years. Certainly not the type of failure you’re referring to. Without a split backstay your options are limited. Personally I co

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
Bruno, Have you considered a cascade system? I was racing on a friends boat earlier this year and he was going to pull out because his backstay was still at Navtec being re-built... We rigged up a cascade system using existing parts / line I had on Mojito; varying sizes of Amsteel, high load guy

Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-08 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
That guy is not right. When they rescued him, he said he was going to try again. The Coast Guard should have the right to say they are not going to assist someone like that, that is just crazy. I think they changed their slogan from “you have to go out, but you don’t have to come back” and re

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
My 39 had a Sailtec installed by the PO. No problems from when he bought it in early 90's till now. I like it. http://www.sailtec.com/products/hydraulic-integral-adjusters.html I think the Harken is nice too, supposedly it pumps both ways. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Rega

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not mine. I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some s

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
My 2 cents: I don't think the 33 is a split backstay. The cost to split it and install new chain plates would probably exceed the cost of a hydraulic unit. With a masthead rig I would want more power than you can get with a manual adjuster. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Ke

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
I second the split back with tackle/cam cleat apparatus suggestion. I race a bit with it and Find it straight forward and quick adjusting. Pretty direct feedback on rig tension. KD On October 8, 2014, at 1:13PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote: For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fitti

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread John Pennie via CnC-List
For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fittings that ride on a split backstay from Johnson. Not nearly as eloquent but effective and probably the best value. John On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List wrote: > If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List
If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back stay adjuster to be a complete PITA. I have a stainless steel Barient back stay adjuster (5/8" pins and uses a winch handle to adjust) that came with my boat back in 1975 to be used in case the original Meriman hydraulic adjusters failed. It

Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Bruno, My Navtec has been rebuilt twice in just over 2 years. I could have bought a new one for less than I have spent on it. ​I would look at the Harken. Lewmar just sold off Navtec. Customer service stinks! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List < c

Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-08 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
not even close. He wasn’t even injured. btw. I have heard that CG “persuaded” him to abandon his endeavour after he asked them for directions... From: davidrisch75 via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:53 PM To: Ronald B. Frerker ; Jake Brodersen ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re:

Stus-List Backstay aduster

2014-10-08 Thread Bruno Lachance via CnC-List
Hi all, I sent my navtec backstay for a rebuild at Southshore and it seems the over 25 years thing is dammaged (scratch on pump cylinder, not fixable, it still leaks). I'm looking at options and the two on the list are: replace it by the exact same thing (Navtec) or screw hydrolic and go wit

Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-08 Thread davidrisch75 via CnC-List
I have a feeling he will have another wack at it. Just a hunch... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" Date:10/08/2014 2:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Jake Brodersen , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List

Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-08 Thread Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
He just missed getting a darwin award. Maybe an honorable mention since he tried. Ron Wild Cheri STL On Tue, 10/7/14, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner To: "'Wally Bryant'" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show get together

2014-10-08 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
All, Not sure if my message yesterday went through. How about 4:00 Monday at the Fleet Reserve Club upper deck? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences