RE: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread Alex Huang
> -Original Message- > From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:54 AM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:4

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > Thanks for the followup Chip, I think I have a better idea now. > > The silence == consent thing is a bit hard for me to take; as a committer I > have the ability to really screw things up, and so there's a lot of > potential fallout from

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread Marcus Sorensen
Thanks for the followup Chip, I think I have a better idea now. The silence == consent thing is a bit hard for me to take; as a committer I have the ability to really screw things up, and so there's a lot of potential fallout from moving forward with something only to find out that someone missed

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > >> I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the >> community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves >> consumers of the project

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:12:43PM -0500, Chip Childers wrote: >> This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time >> to read it. > > Thanks for raising this. In my experience, it's a rare project that > moves from a

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote: > In my opinion we should lean as much as possible towards "collaborating on > all features". > +1 > The reason is two-fold firstly community is a place to learn and explore if > we do not share ideas we would never know what commun

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > I think this is a great discussion to have, but I think it would help if > there were specific examples you could share so that we all have a better > understanding. I'd like to avoid picking out specific examples from the recent past, bec

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Dec 15, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the > community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves > consumers of the project to work with the project. I just wanted > clarification because I r

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Marcus Sorensen
I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves consumers of the project to work with the project. I just wanted clarification because I read this to mean essentially "hey guys, don't just drop patches

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > 3. If it's generic enough that it makes sense for upstream CloudStack (and > believe me anything we can push back we want to), we post to the list to > see if anyone else is working on it or interested in it. > > 4. We get feedback

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:12:43PM -0500, Chip Childers wrote: > This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time > to read it. Thanks for raising this. In my experience, it's a rare project that moves from a single-sponsor model to a full-blown community model that doesn'

RE: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
enarios we also help educate the community on what matters most to the end users. Thanks Animesh > -Original Message- > From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:17 PM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Con

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Marcus Sorensen
I think this is a great discussion to have, but I think it would help if there were specific examples you could share so that we all have a better understanding. For example, I think I'm guilty of this in some respects, but I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about. Let me post one of my ex

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread David Nalley
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm writing this email with my PPMC member hat on, but not speaking > *for* the PPMC. > > This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time > to read it. > > Recently, some of us have been struggling with h