RE: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread Alex Huang
> -Original Message- > From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:54 AM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:4

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > Thanks for the followup Chip, I think I have a better idea now. > > The silence == consent thing is a bit hard for me to take; as a committer I > have the ability to really screw things up, and so there's a lot of > potential fallout from

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-20 Thread Marcus Sorensen
Thanks for the followup Chip, I think I have a better idea now. The silence == consent thing is a bit hard for me to take; as a committer I have the ability to really screw things up, and so there's a lot of potential fallout from moving forward with something only to find out that someone missed

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > >> I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the >> community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves >> consumers of the project

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:12:43PM -0500, Chip Childers wrote: >> This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time >> to read it. > > Thanks for raising this. In my experience, it's a rare project that > moves from a

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote: > In my opinion we should lean as much as possible towards "collaborating on > all features". > +1 > The reason is two-fold firstly community is a place to learn and explore if > we do not share ideas we would never know what commun

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Chip Childers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > I think this is a great discussion to have, but I think it would help if > there were specific examples you could share so that we all have a better > understanding. I'd like to avoid picking out specific examples from the recent past, bec

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-17 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Dec 15, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the > community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves > consumers of the project to work with the project. I just wanted > clarification because I r

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Marcus Sorensen
I agree, I certainly don't want to implement something only to have the community do the same later(and in an incompatible manner). It behooves consumers of the project to work with the project. I just wanted clarification because I read this to mean essentially "hey guys, don't just drop patches

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > 3. If it's generic enough that it makes sense for upstream CloudStack (and > believe me anything we can push back we want to), we post to the list to > see if anyone else is working on it or interested in it. > > 4. We get feedback

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:12:43PM -0500, Chip Childers wrote: > This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time > to read it. Thanks for raising this. In my experience, it's a rare project that moves from a single-sponsor model to a full-blown community model that doesn'

RE: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
enarios we also help educate the community on what matters most to the end users. Thanks Animesh > -Original Message- > From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:17 PM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Con

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Marcus Sorensen
I think this is a great discussion to have, but I think it would help if there were specific examples you could share so that we all have a better understanding. For example, I think I'm guilty of this in some respects, but I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about. Let me post one of my ex

Re: Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread David Nalley
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm writing this email with my PPMC member hat on, but not speaking > *for* the PPMC. > > This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time > to read it. > > Recently, some of us have been struggling with h

Concerns about our community health and collaboration process

2012-12-14 Thread Chip Childers
Hi all, I'm writing this email with my PPMC member hat on, but not speaking *for* the PPMC. This is a bit long, but needs to be shared. Please do take time the time to read it. Recently, some of us have been struggling with how to help guide the community toward better collaboration on this lis