Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

Ken Wesson writes: Hi Ken, > A related case may be when you're not making just a straight wrapper, > but adding something -- your own pre/post checks, or argument > transformations, or etc. > > As for binding to a Var, that makes sense if the result is not as > trivial as #(.meth %) and is going

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

So, another justification for wrapping a Java method is when it's a layer boundary and the Java method is two (or more) layers lower than the caller, basically. This suggests a generalization as well: that there's a form of "Law of Demeter" applied to layers (and libraries) where one should tend t

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

>>Of the people I've tried to expose to Clojure over the last six months, >>I've definitely found that those with less OO experience tend to pick >>it up much quicker. that's exactly true for me: 40+ years old and OO-centric-Programmer since 1995. it takes me one year now to reach a highlevel qual

Re: Clojure Koans and others interactive exercises to learn clojure?

You can always try http://projecteuler.net using Clojure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first

Re: Clojure for large programs

> On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: >> Since I mostly work with 50-100kloc projects, I think 5-10kloc >> projects are kinda small :) > > > My point was that I'm running into interesting questions even with a small > program. The answers are not obvious to me. There's evidence I'm

Re: Clojure for large programs

2011/7/5 Stuart Halloway : > On large projects I do the following: > (2) Think of the consumer of the lib, not the author. As a user of Midje, I > would want all the utility fns in a single namespace (if they were separated > from the domain API at all). > In general, I have found that namespaces s

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

On 5 July 2011 06:34, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: >> I was using it in the sense typically meant in phrases like "source >> code repository", as seems reasonable given the context, but oh well. > > If you're using git, "source code repository" could ea

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

On Jul 4, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Michael Wood wrote: > "Repository" need not imply anything to do with networking. I'm sure > someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that the > repository Steve [Lindsay] is talking about above is just a hierarchy of files > in your home directory.

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

hi meikel, you plugin really rocks. have you thought about contributing clojuresque as 'clojure-plugin' for gradle to the gradle project ? so that it will be more integrate and managed like ... say the scala-plugin for gradle ? maybe after gradle has released it's 1.0 version ? best regards ..

Re: Unknown constant tag 32 in class file error

Does the file you are evaluating have more than 65535 characters? As far as I can tell, that is the maximum length of a String literal in Java (see the CONSTANT_Utf8_info struct in http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jvms/second_edition/html/ClassFile.doc.html). I've encountered that limit when using E

Re: Unknown constant tag 32 in class file error

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Patrick Houk wrote: > Does the file you are evaluating have more than 65535 characters?  As > far as I can tell, that is the maximum length of a String literal in > Java (see the CONSTANT_Utf8_info struct in > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jvms/second_edition/html

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Michael Wood wrote: > On 5 July 2011 06:34, Sean Corfield wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: >>> I was using it in the sense typically meant in phrases like "source >>> code repository", as seems reasonable given the context, but oh well.

Re: Clojure for large programs

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote: > In general, I have found that namespaces should be larger than my OO > intuition would have them be. One problem with scaling up namespaces, though, is that ongoing "invalid constant tag 32" issue with big enough input files (see other thre

Re: Clojure for large programs

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote: > (1) Use "require :as prefix" everywhere. This felt ugly at first, but puts > pressure on naming in way that is beneficial as the codebase grows. I've also started leaning toward that approach. At first I tended to :use clojure.* namespaces

Data filtering function

I need help to write a small filtering function. Given the following definitions: (def m1 {["45"] {:a 45 :b "day1"} ["55"] {:a 55 :b "day1"} ["25"] {:a 25 :b "day1"} ["15"] {:a 15 :b "day1"} ["10"] {:a 10 :b "day1"}}) (def m2 {["45"] {:a 45 :b "day2

Clojure now officially supported on Heroku

I'm very excited to say that Clojure is now an officially supported deployment option on Heroku: http://blog.heroku.com/archives/2011/7/5/clojure_on_heroku/ A big thanks to everyone in the Clojure community that helped us make this a reality - especially James Reeves, Phil Hagelberg, Chris Re

Re: Clojure Koans and others interactive exercises to learn clojure?

Thanks for sharing this!! I didn't know that there was a Koans version for Clojure =D On 4 jul, 00:52, Antonio Recio wrote: > Clojure koans is awesome > to learn clojure. Do you know other projects with exercises to learn > clojure? -- You rec

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:54 AM, faenvie wrote: > that's exactly true for me: 40+ years old and OO-centric-Programmer > since 1995. > it takes me one year now to reach a highlevel quality in programming > clojure. I sympathize! I turn 49 this week (Thursday) and have been doing OO since '92. Fortu

Re: Data filtering function

Try merge-with to create a single map. On Jul 5, 1:49 pm, "Bhinderwala, Shoeb" wrote: > I need help to write a small filtering function. Given the following > definitions: > > (def m1 >        {["45"] {:a 45 :b "day1"} >         ["55"] {:a 55 :b "day1"} >         ["25"] {:a 25 :b "day1"} >      

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

Yes, I've found Eclipse's maven support rather stable for the last 6 months, so I consider it stable and use it for my projects. The plugin is called m2eclipse. 2011/7/5 Steve : > On Jul 5, 7:13 am, Ken Wesson wrote: >> >> > No, there's no server, no port, nothing to firewall. It's just a >> > d

Re: Clojure now officially supported on Heroku

Amazing news!! Heroku is great and simple! On 5 jul, 14:54, Mark McGranaghan wrote: > I'm very excited to say that Clojure is now an officially supported > deployment option on Heroku: > >    http://blog.heroku.com/archives/2011/7/5/clojure_on_heroku/ > > A big thanks to everyone in the Clojure c

Re: Data filtering function

This should work: (defn my-filter [coll k] (for [m coll] (get m k))) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patien

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:34 PM, James Keats wrote: >> For example I suggest you look at this video/transcript and pay >> attention in particular to the point of debate between Joe Armstrong >> of Erlang and Martin Odersky of Scala >> http://

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

Ken, I'm sorry I didn't answer quickly to you on the CCW mailing list. Unless there's a bug involved (and I suspect there's a rampant one somewhere :) ), CCW handles AOT compilation. Would it not handle it, I would not be able to release CCW itself ! Indeed, currently there are cyclic dependenci

Re: Integrating Clojure-CLR w/ VS

That + a reboot was exactly what I needed. Oh, the joys of windows system administration! On Jul 2, 11:03 pm, Jeff Sigmon wrote: > Sean, > > It looks like your not alone, see > thishttps://github.com/jmis/vsClojure/issues/33 > > I was able to launch an exe outside of VS by adding the following

Re: Clojure now officially supported on Heroku

Terrific! Congratulations to everyone involved. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

Re: Clojure for large programs

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Stuart Halloway > wrote: > > In general, I have found that namespaces should be larger than my OO > > intuition would have them be. > > One problem with scaling up namespaces, though, is that ongoing > "invalid

Re: Data filtering function

(map #(get % ["45"]) d) On Jul 5, 12:49 pm, "Bhinderwala, Shoeb" wrote: > I need help to write a small filtering function. Given the following > definitions: > > (def m1 >        {["45"] {:a 45 :b "day1"} >         ["55"] {:a 55 :b "day1"} >         ["25"] {:a 25 :b "day1"} >         ["15"] {:a 1

RE: Data filtering function

Thanks. That was simple. I got hung up on trying to use the filter function and didn't realize it could be done in simpler ways without it. -Original Message- From: clojure@googlegroups.com [mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Base Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:37 PM To: Cloju

Re: Unknown constant tag 32 in class file error

On 5 Lug, 18:49, Ken Wesson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Patrick Houk wrote: > > Does the file you are evaluating have more than 65535 characters?  As > > far as I can tell, that is the maximum length of a String literal in > > Java (see the CONSTANT_Utf8_info struct in > >http://jav

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

note on the original posting: > First, he shouldn't be porting Java code to clojure, Second, Clojure IS > fundamentally different from Java, and third, such said users who > don't want to touch Java should not touch Clojure. to port java-code to clojure-code is certainly not the right thing to do

Thread Macro For Inserting In Arbitrary Positions

Frequently I want to use the thread macros (-> or ->>) except I need to thread the arguments into positions other than the first and the last. Or sometimes I have to go back and forth between first and last positions. Instead of alternating between -> and ->> and creating nesting, I've been using t

Re: Thread Macro For Inserting In Arbitrary Positions

Here is an example of using this: (--> "hello world" (.toUpperCase _) (.toLowerCase _) (.indexOf _ "w")) On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Asim Jalis wrote: > Frequently I want to use the thread macros (-> or ->>) except I need > to thread the arguments into positions other than the first and the

Re: Thread Macro For Inserting In Arbitrary Positions

> Is there a reason something like this does not exist in clojure.core? > Is this an oversight or is there a reason this is not there? Previous discussions on this subject: 1. http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/e826fc303e440b7c/0e7bdba707b7982d (in particular Rich's re

Re: Thread Macro For Inserting In Arbitrary Positions

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Asim Jalis wrote: > Here is an example of using this: > > (--> "hello world" (.toUpperCase _) (.toLowerCase _) (.indexOf _ "w")) BTW, that's not a very compelling example since you can already do: (-> "hello world!" .toUpperCase .toLowerCase (.indexOf "w")) -- Se

Re: Please stand firm against Steve Yegge's "yes language" push

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 21:33, David Nolen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM, James Keats wrote: >> >> And once you encounter the >> reality and frustration infamously characterized by likening the >> managing of lispers to the herding of cats then you begin to admire >> languages like pytho

clojure and maths

Hello I've been playing around with math in clojure lately and have run up against a few hurdles that I'm not sure how to overcome, any help would be appreciated! Mostly I've been trying to use the apache commons math library (http://commons.apache.org/math/), but have been hitting similar proble

Re: Unknown constant tag 32 in class file error

Appreciate the input guys! Can't comment on the technical side or on where the problem might stem, but I'll tell you what I can: > > > Does the file you are evaluating have more than 65535 characters? Nope. It's about 1400 LOC and not syntactically unique (no unusually long constants, etc.). It'

Re: date-clj clojure date/time library

Just FYI I ended up using joda time in a project and it seemed to be a good immutable match for clojure http://joda-time.sourceforge.net/ - Lachlan On 30 June 2011 06:42, Islon Scherer wrote: > Thanks for the critic Laurent. > set-date is not destructive, it creates a new date and returns it,

Re: Build tool for mixed Clojure/Java projects

Hi, Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011 18:55:48 UTC+2 schrieb Ken Wesson: > I'd be very interested to know how one checks out a file from a CVS > repository without cvs-pserver running. You do a cvs checkout whatever > at the command prompt, the command interpreter runs the cvs client, > and the cvs clien

Re: Clojure for large programs

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:58 PM, David Nolen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Stuart Halloway >> wrote: >> > In general, I have found that namespaces should be larger than my OO >> > intuition would have them be. >> >> One problem w