usly it won't be taking over from Java (or even Scala) any time
soon though.
On 2 February 2016 at 16:32, gvim wrote:
> Alex
>
> I was looking at Indeed.com for U.S. FP job stats and I found for "United
> States" by title:
>
> Java: 12,125
> Scala: 336
> Cloj
Alex
I was looking at Indeed.com for U.S. FP job stats and I found for
"United States" by title:
Java: 12,125
Scala: 336
Clojure: 28
Considering Clojure 1.0 has been around for nearly 7 years and Scala 2.0
is almost a decade old is it fair to conclude that FP and Clojure in
part
Hey All,
I am currently working with some of the worlds most talented FP teams in
the US to help them build out there Clojure, F# and Scala teams.
If you are looking for a new gig within the Functional Space and want to
work alongside some of the best engineers then drop me a line!
a
Most Scala `for` examples translate over to Clojure's `for`. The biggest
difference is that Scala produces a collection matching the type of the
first generator, whereas Clojure produces a lazy sequence, which you can
"pour" into the collection of your choice with `into`.
It
Hi, I am not sure if it will serve point the best but that is what I have
received as a koan style problem with Scala solution,
now I am trying to comprehend it fully and convert to Clojure. Like I said
I am by no means Scala expert.
Let's say we have some Val container which is capable to
6, 2015 10:12 PM, "Rastko Soskic" wrote:
> Hi,
> I am aware of philosophical differences of Scala and Clojure
> but functional programming should be a pretty common ground :)
> Thus I need help, I am trying to mimic Scala's for comprehension in
> Clojure.
>
>
It's a bit hard (at least for me) to see what you're actually trying to do
here that would precent a direct translation of your snippet to Clojure's
for. Could you perhaps post a complete, self-contained code example in
Scala?
On Thursday, 26 November 2015, Torsten Uhlmann
wrot
most of the time when there are Options in the mix that
may or may not hold a value.
For binding to generators, Clojures for might be a better
fit? https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/for
Would that help you?
Torsten.
PS: I'm learning Clojure myself with Scala and Java background.
O
Hi,
I am aware of philosophical differences of Scala and Clojure
but functional programming should be a pretty common ground :)
Thus I need help, I am trying to mimic Scala's for comprehension in Clojure.
Hopefully someone will be able to aid me with the following (perhaps more
familiar
Hi Rastko,
I was about to respond with the reverse + reduce answer, but it seems that
it was already covered here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/clojure/MizwTxHwLE4
But there is a more detailed answer about short-circuiting reduce that you
might also be interested in (using the function
Posted before finishing :)
Thanks in advance for any tip/suggestion.
Cheers,
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Hi,
I have come up this implementation of fold-right in Scala:
def foldRight[B](z: => B)(f: (A, => B) => B): B = // Here, arrow => in
front of argument means it is arg by name (lazy) and won't be evaluated
until required
// z - init, f - combining f, and target sequence i
ice day,
> Jon
>
>
> On 16 July 2015 at 23:06, Rastko Soskic >
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I am getting familiar with Clojure's core.match and
>> simply starting with something simple and familar (some Scala match
>> expressions)
>> and translating that to
ply starting with something simple and familar (some Scala match
> expressions)
> and translating that to core.match variant:
> Check out this function which checks whether sequence starts with another:
>
> def startsWith[A](l: List[A], prefix: List[A]): Boolean = (l,prefix) matc
Hi, I am getting familiar with Clojure's core.match and
simply starting with something simple and familar (some Scala match
expressions)
and translating that to core.match variant:
Check out this function which checks whether sequence starts with another:
def startsWith[A](l: List[A], p
I want to fully understand what is going on before doing anything.
Interestingly if I convert the Java code below to Scala it fails to compile
with the same error :
def Onk(str: util.ArrayList[String]): String = {
println("String")
"erk"
}
def Onk(it: util.ArrayLis
Have you considered writing a wrapper method in Scala and calling that?
Thanks,
Ambrose
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Stephen Wakely
wrote:
> Sorry about the double threads - I messed up and thought the original post
> didn't go through.
>
> Looking further into this
{
System.out.println("int");
return 0;
}
This fails to compile :
Error:(11, 24) java: name clash:
Onk(java.util.ArrayList) and
Onk(java.util.ArrayList) have the same erasure
This sort of thing doesn't seem to be a problem for Scala, so it must be
doing something
aring-class com.cra.figaro.language.Dist$,
>>> :parameter-types
>>> [scala.collection.Seq
>>> com.cra.figaro.language.Name
>>> com.cra.figaro.language.ElementCollection],
>>> :exception-types [],
>>> :flags #{:public}}
>>>
>
gt;> :parameter-types
>> [scala.collection.Seq
>> com.cra.figaro.language.Name
>> com.cra.figaro.language.ElementCollection],
>> :exception-types [],
>> :flags #{:public}}
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:05 PM Stuart Sierra &l
com.cra.figaro.language.ElementCollection],
> :exception-types [],
> :flags #{:public}}
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:05 PM Stuart Sierra
> wrote:
>
>> Scala has to compile down to JVM bytecode just like Clojure, but it may
>> change method signat
com.cra.figaro.language.Name
com.cra.figaro.language.ElementCollection],
:exception-types [],
:flags #{:public}}
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:05 PM Stuart Sierra
wrote:
> Scala has to compile down to JVM bytecode just like Clojure, but it may
> change method signatures along the way.
>
> Y
I am sadly quite clueless when it comes to Java.
De-compiling the Scala class file to Java gives me the following:
public AtomicDist apply(Seq>> clauses,
Name name, ElementCollection collection) {
return new AtomicDist(name, clauses.toList(), collection);
}
Scala has to compile down to JVM bytecode just like Clojure, but it may
change method signatures along the way.
You could try running `javap` to disassemble the compiled Scala bytecode
and figure out what the method signatures actually are. Or use Java
reflection to examine the objects you
Fingerhut
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I do not know whether Clojure can or cannot determine the correct
>> overload in this situation.
>>
>> All I have is a weak suggestion that work well enough: have you
>> considered creating wrapper functions, e.g. in Scala or Java, that
d
> creating wrapper functions, e.g. in Scala or Java, that have different
> enough function signatures that Clojure can easily determine the correct
> one?
>
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Stephen Wakely > wrote:
>
>> I am trying to call into
Sorry, I do not know whether Clojure can or cannot determine the correct
overload in this situation.
All I have is a weak suggestion that work well enough: have you considered
creating wrapper functions, e.g. in Scala or Java, that have different
enough function signatures that Clojure can easily
I am trying to call into some Scala that has the following overloaded
methods :
def apply[T](clauses: (Double, Element[T])*)(implicit name: Name[T],
collection: ElementCollection) =
new AtomicDist(name, clauses.toList, collection)
def apply[T](clauses: (Element[Double], Element[T
I am trying to call into some Scala that has the following overloaded
methods :
def apply[T](clauses: (Double, Element[T])*)(implicit name: Name[T],
collection: ElementCollection) =
new AtomicDist(name, clauses.toList, collection)
def apply[T](clauses: (Element[Double], Element[T
Hi,
I would like to announce from-scala, an experimental Scala interop
library for Clojure.
Its main feature is the $-macro, a version of Clojure's
.-form. The $-macro uses Java reflection and a series of heuristics,
so that you will be able to write code
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Guru Devanla wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1. The point you raise regarding declaring case classes is inherent to the
> typed nature of Scala, correct? Can that be pointed to as valid strength of
> Clojure. Since, we are compar
Hi Mark,
A few questions:
1. The point you raise regarding declaring case classes is inherent to the
typed nature of Scala, correct? Can that be pointed to as valid strength of
Clojure. Since, we are comparing static vs dynamic typing here.
2. I am not super familiar with Scale, but I am
I think you're right that all or nearly all of the functional aspects of
Clojure have counterparts in Scala. On top of that, Scala provides mutable
flavors of everything, so you can pick and choose your approach. So that
makes Scala better, right?
But the difference between Clojure and Sca
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> In 2008 I was reviewing options,
> we had to move away from Java.
>
> I choose Clojure rather than Scala,
> I fo
In 2008 I was reviewing options,
we had to move away from Java.
I choose Clojure rather than Scala,
I found Scala quite confusing.
Attempts to pour in FP notions
in an OO language looked too me
as an attempt to transplant a fifth
limb to a four limb made body.
Since then I had a few discussions
The problem with this question is that Functional Programming means many
different things to different people.
If we define FP negatively (i.e. the language does not allow anything
other than pure functions), then neither Scala or Clojure are FP. I
would side here with Doug Hoyte's Let
So, in other words, like most "which is the best programming language?"
questions, the answer to this one is "It depends". :)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Эльдар Габдуллин wrote:
> Clojure targets multiple platforms, Scala - one.
>
> Clojure is Lisp. That
Clojure targets multiple platforms, Scala - one.
Clojure is Lisp. That means almost any programming paradigm/DSL is just a
library.
But if you are interested in FP per se, I think Scala illustrates it
better.
With strong type system, pattern matching it's much closer to Haskell,
which i
The reason Clojure "supports you better" is that Clojure doesn't really
give you an alternative. Scala is BOTH OO and FP, Clojure is only FP.
The "problem" with Scala is that if you come from an OO language, Scala
doesn't force you to use FP concepts, sure it'
I jumped on the FP bandwagon over a year ago and have been using Scala both
at work and for personal interest. Recently however I decided to take a
closer look at Clojure and see if it is something i actually like. I have
to admit at first the syntax form was awkward, but im starting to really
That would need quoting wouldn't it?
(import '(the.java.package {Clazz1 Alias1 Clazz2 Alias2} Clazz3))
or:
(import '(the.java.package Clazz1 Clazz2 Clazz3 :rename {Clazz1
Alias1 Clazz2 Alias2}))
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> Perhaps a small extension to (impor
Perhaps a small extension to (import ..) is warranted then, since the
underlying machinery seems to support aliases?
(import [the.java.package {Clazz1 Alias1 Clazz2 Alias2} Clazz3])
or, maybe more in keeping with require:
(import [the.java.package Clazz1 Clazz2 Clazz3 :rename {Clazz1
Ali
Mark writes:
> I think my preferred solution would be to allow imported Java classes
> to be aliased, so I could do this:
>
>> (import '(org.fooinstitute.team.library.foo package :as foop))
> => org.fooinstitute.team.library.foo.package
>> (foop/isFoo "foop")
> => false
>
> But to the best of my
ember 1, 2013 1:40:41 PM UTC-7, Mark wrote:
>
> At work, we're primarily a Scala shop, but I've been writing some small
> Clojure utilities to handle quick tasks here and there (stuff I'd written
> in Python previously). I was hoping to make use of some of the Scala
:as juc) LinkedBlockingQueue
> ReadWriteLock))
>
> (def my-queue (juc/LinkedBlockingQueue.))
>
> Most useful with conflicting class names, e.g. java.util.Date and
> javax.sql.Date:
>
> UDate vs. SDate
>
> u/Date vs. s/Date
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov
ost useful with conflicting class names, e.g. java.util.Date and
javax.sql.Date:
UDate vs. SDate
u/Date vs. s/Date
etc.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark wrote:
> At work, we're primarily a Scala shop, but I've been writing some small
> Clojure utilities to handle quick t
At work, we're primarily a Scala shop, but I've been writing some small
Clojure utilities to handle quick tasks here and there (stuff I'd written
in Python previously). I was hoping to make use of some of the Scala
libraries we'd already written, but I ran into an Java/Sc
I enjoyed watching this so I thought I'd share...
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Scala-Spire
Jim
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:44:09 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote:
>
> It was intended to be purely anecdotal but that doesn't seem to satisfy
> anyone! :)
>
Homer: "You know, when I was a boy, I really wanted a catcher's mitt, but my
dad wouldn't get it for me. So I held my breath until I pas
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Edward Garson wrote:
> Native Erlang does have a macro facility, but it is not as powerful as
> Lisp/Clojure's.
lfe, baby, though of course that is not "native" erlang.
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On Sep 15, 2:15 am, cig wrote:
[snip]
> In a wide spread environment I think Erlang would be the true winner,
> though it does not natively have macros :-(
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM, cig wrote:
> Impressive, wonder if they were running this on a single node or more
> widespread?
We run an instance of the process on multiple nodes, configured
slightly differently. We needed "some" parallelization to improve
throughput but didn't need a massive
, which does have macros and a real
engine underneath.
But clojure is an awesome combination
On Sep 7, 7:32 am, Sean Corfield wrote:
> I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
>
> Back in November 2009, we started developing with Scala. We needed a
> long-running
Oh, it was just one, after all ?
Please, don't tell this to my boss :-D
2011/9/13 Meikel Brandmeyer
> “Plan to throw one away.”
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Nathan Sorenson wrote:
> I adore Clojure as well, but could this success not be partially due
> to the "reimplementing for the second time" phenomenon? i.e. if you re-
> wrote the entire thing in Scala again, perhaps you would see similar
>
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> gains in brevity etc?
>
> On Sep 6, 10:32 pm, Sean Corfield wrote:
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> >
> > Back in November 2009, we started developing with Sca
I adore Clojure as well, but could this success not be partially due
to the "reimplementing for the second time" phenomenon? i.e. if you re-
wrote the entire thing in Scala again, perhaps you would see similar
gains in brevity etc?
On Sep 6, 10:32 pm, Sean Corfield wrote:
> I j
I've used Apache Commons Daemon in my projects
On windows I had following registration .bat to run it as service:
@echo off
cd /D "$INSTALL_PATH\sbin"
SET UHOME=$INSTALL_PATH
SET UMAINCLASS=myprog.main
SET ULOGDIR=%UHOME%\var\log
MKDIR %UHOME%\var\tmp\myprog\
MKDIR %ULOGDIR%
%UHOME%\sbin\%PROC
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:53:43 PM UTC-5, Marko Kocić wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
> examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
I strongly recommend Tanuki's wrapper over jsvc:
http://wrapper.tanukisoftw
On 09/07/2011 02:53 PM, Marko Kocić wrote:
Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
Thanks,
Marko
I'll try and put together a few things including the code that
implements the interface to
Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
Thanks,
Marko
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I have used jsvc in the past and found it to be a great tool. It allows you to
configure which user the application runs as, and does proper detaching. It
allows you to configure output streams and pid files to your liking. I have
written some simple init scripts as well to make it very unix ser
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Dennis Haupt wrote:
> so the scala actors add much more overhead than the clojure equivalent?
The main problem is that the current implementation of actors in Scala
suffers from known memory leaks and performance problems - problems
that are completely addres
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so the scala actors add much more overhead than the clojure equivalent?
Am 07.09.2011 07:32, schrieb Sean Corfield:
> I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
>
> Back in November 2009, we started developing with Scala.
the lein-daemon plugin seems to do that
Il giorno 07/set/2011 16.27, "Marko Kocić" ha
scritto:
> While we are at this topic, how do you run Clojure deamons. Do you have
some
> scripts to set it up how?
> Is there a simple way to daemonize lein project?
>
> Regards,
> Marko
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While we are at this topic, how do you run Clojure deamons. Do you have some
scripts to set it up how?
Is there a simple way to daemonize lein project?
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Hi,
We have been running Clojure daemons 24/7 in prod. since Jan. 2009.
We also considered Scala back in 2008.
We could not agree more with your conclusions :)
Luc P.
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Thanks for sharing Sean, very interesting!
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I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
Back in November 2009, we started developing with Scala. We needed a
long-running process that published large volumes of changes from our
member database as XML packets published to a custom search engine.
The mapping from half a dozen
Found at: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4300
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>>
>> The brains, yes, but not the academic infrastructure. Scala is based at
>> EPFL, and the work on parallel programming is done in collaboration with
>> Stanford. That makes all of a difference when applying for funding in the
>> academic world, such as the ER
On 18 Jan, 2011, at 17:37 , cej38 wrote:
I think the clojure community should be seeking the type of funding to
make it the goto language for HPC. As a community we definitely have
the brains to make it happen.
The brains, yes, but not the academic infrastructure. Scala is based
at EPFL
As a community we definitely have
> > the brains to make it happen.
>
> The brains, yes, but not the academic infrastructure. Scala is based at EPFL,
> and the work on parallel programming is done in collaboration with Stanford.
> That makes all of a difference when applying for fu
On 18 Jan, 2011, at 17:37 , cej38 wrote:
I think the clojure community should be seeking the type of funding to
make it the goto language for HPC. As a community we definitely have
the brains to make it happen.
The brains, yes, but not the academic infrastructure. Scala is based at EPFL
the article is that the DSLs are compiled to something that
may or may not be JVM bytecode (one example compiles to C++) and that the DSL
code doesn't "know" that its compiler is written in Scala. A programmer who
does know may resort to tricks such as you describe, but it is a
On 18 Jan, 2011, at 17:37 , cej38 wrote:
> I think the clojure community should be seeking the type of funding to
> make it the goto language for HPC. As a community we definitely have
> the brains to make it happen.
The brains, yes, but not the academic infrastructure. Scala is base
I think the clojure community should be seeking the type of funding to
make it the goto language for HPC. As a community we definitely have
the brains to make it happen.
While I am not enough of a computer scientist to be able to contribute
to the development, I am willing to help write proposals
even that would probably be less work to implement than
what it takes to make Scala "virtualizable".
However, I do believe that Scala has a better chance of being accepted
as a DSL hosting language for "mass-market" parallel computing,
because it has familiar syntax.
Sig
oach. More protection would require a DSL-specific reader that
checks for namespace-qualified symbols and disallows arbitrary
imports. But even that would probably be less work to implement than
what it takes to make Scala "virtualizable".
However, I do believe that Scala has a be
Hello Everybody,
not directly related to clojure .. but it is interesting to know that
scala people got a huge funding to further the state of the art in HPC...
http://www.scala-lang.org/node/8579
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From today, I will not receive updates from this group, so if
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dil...@gmail.com. I do think that this is an important question to
many people that liked a lot the Clojure concurrency model but cannot
use Clojure in their day t
Hi,
During the discussions of the topic "Jython Interoperability
problem",
Mikhail Kryshen suggested implementations of Clojure data structures
outside Clojure:
>Clojure's data structures modified for use outside of Clojure:
>http://github.com/krukow/clj-ds
>Persistent analogue of the Java
On Jun 18, 11:56 pm, cageface wrote:
>
> Unfortunately there seems to be a lot more commercial momentum for
> Scala though. It's still a blip compared to the mainstream languages
> but I'm seeing more and more job posts mentioning it, and hardly any
> for Clojure. I d
For such a young language it has a big momentum. Did Scala have that
after 2 years?
On 18 Jun., 23:56, cageface wrote:
> Quick disclaimer - there are a lot of things I like in Scala and I
> think Odersky & crew have done some very impressive work bringing
> functional language conce
Bear in mind that Scala is about 5 years older than Clojure, so it's
had more time to build up momentum.
On Jun 18, 5:56 pm, cageface wrote:
> Unfortunately there seems to be a lot more commercial momentum for
> Scala though. It's still a blip compared to the mainstream lan
I've spent a number of years looking for a functional programming
language suitable for the kind of work I do. evaluating Clojure,
Haskell, Erlang, Scala, F#, Mozart, ML, Clean, Racket, and probably
some others I'm not thinking about right now. For me, once Clojure
hit 1.0 status, it w
Quick disclaimer - there are a lot of things I like in Scala and I
think Odersky & crew have done some very impressive work bringing
functional language concepts to the VM and giving Java developers a
path forward. I also don't think Clojure vs x language battles are
very productive and d
avel? There's plenty of good food right here, and interesting cultural
sites to see, and stuff to buy. But you don't ask that question: you just
go, and FIND OUT why it was worth doing after the fact. (Or maybe not.)
Still. My take:
1. Clojure is dynamic like Groovy, and functional lik
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Julian wrote:
> Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
> entry to Twitter:
> "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"
How about two reasons to learn Clojure instead?
1) Clojure is (a) LISP. According to Eri
On Saturday 16 January 2010 18:10:15 Shantanu Kumar wrote:
> The best benefit of Clojure is, I think, the power-to-weight ratio.
That's a really good description for a low barrier to entry. :-)
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>> "Let's try that again:
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> Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
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> "Why is Clojure better than Scala or
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>
> He went on to say:
> "Let's tr
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> Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
> entry to Twitter:
> "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"
If I had to pick just one specific feature (which may be a bad
way to going about answeri
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Julian wrote:
> Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
> entry to Twitter:
> "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"
> http://twitter.com/mraible/status/7793457551
>
> He went on to say:
> "Le
Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
entry to Twitter:
"Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"
http://twitter.com/mraible/status/7793457551
He went on to say:
"Let's try that again: I like Scala and Groovy and see no compelling
reason to
> >> :(
>
> >> map is lazy, so you'll need to wrap it in doall
>
> >> (dotimes [i 4] (println "Happy Birthday" ({2 "Dear XXX"} i "To You")))
>
> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:17 PM, David Nolen
> >&g
] (println "Happy Birthday" ({2 "Dear XXX"} i "To You")))
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:17 PM, David Nolen
>> wrote:
>> > Actually to be fair, here's a Clojure version that uses as little
>> > whitespace
>> > as the Sc
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